The company counting the ballots in Arizona wants to keep their methods secret

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry for the long title. But the far right Republican supporting company that is running the recount in Arizona wants to keep its methods secret. Now that generates all sorts of confidence in their results

Why is it that the Republicans almost always appear to be guilty of what they are accusing the Democrats of doing?

Firm recounting Arizona ballots wants methods kept secret

Florida-based Cyber Ninjas filed the policies under seal Sunday and asked Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Christopher Coury to keep them sealed as trade secrets and because the Senate is immune to legal actions as a separate branch of government. The company also wants the hearing closed to the media and the public.

The Arizona First Amendment Coalition, a press freedom group whose members include Arizona print and broadcast news outlets, filed a motion Monday opposing Cyber Ninjas’ sealing and courtroom closure request.

In the filing, coalition attorney Dan Barr wrote that “the public, and especially the 2.1 million voters whose election ballots and personal information are in the hands of an out-of-state, openly partisan private company, deserve to know what is being filed with the court and what is happening in the courtroom.”

What a mess.

 

[Stevicus]

Sorry for the long title. But the far right Republican supporting company that is running the recount in Arizona wants to keep its methods secret. Now that generates all sorts of confidence in their results

Why is it that the Republicans almost always appear to be guilty of what they are accusing the Democrats of doing?

Firm recounting Arizona ballots wants methods kept secret

Florida-based Cyber Ninjas filed the policies under seal Sunday and asked Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Christopher Coury to keep them sealed as trade secrets and because the Senate is immune to legal actions as a separate branch of government. The company also wants the hearing closed to the media and the public.

The Arizona First Amendment Coalition, a press freedom group whose members include Arizona print and broadcast news outlets, filed a motion Monday opposing Cyber Ninjas’ sealing and courtroom closure request.

In the filing, coalition attorney Dan Barr wrote that “the public, and especially the 2.1 million voters whose election ballots and personal information are in the hands of an out-of-state, openly partisan private company, deserve to know what is being filed with the court and what is happening in the courtroom.”

What a mess.

I've been in Arizona for more than 40 years, and I have to say, Arizona politics is really something else. The Republicans have a majority in the state legislature, and they've been pushing for this for quite a while. We also have a Republican governor, but he's been on many Republicans' poop list as of late.

I thought they were supposed to have both Democratic and Republican monitors in there for the recount. Now they're saying they want to make it totally secret? That's ridiculous.

 

[PureX]

Why is it that the Republicans almost always appear to be guilty of what they are accusing the Democrats of doing?

Because they are. And they accuse the democrats of it to try and shift attention away from themselves.

 

[crossfire]

Arizona Constitution, Article VII, Section 12:

"There shall be enacted registration and other laws to secure the purity of elections and guard against abuses of the elective franchise."​

What exactly would constitute an "abuse of the elective franchise," may I ask?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Arizona Constitution, Article VII, Section 12:

"There shall be enacted registration and other laws to secure the purity of elections and guard against abuses of the elective franchise."​

What exactly would constitute an "abuse of the elective franchise," may I ask?

Voting twice? *shrug*

 

[Twilight Hue]

Sorry for the long title. But the far right Republican supporting company that is running the recount in Arizona wants to keep its methods secret. Now that generates all sorts of confidence in their results

Why is it that the Republicans almost always appear to be guilty of what they are accusing the Democrats of doing?

Firm recounting Arizona ballots wants methods kept secret

Florida-based Cyber Ninjas filed the policies under seal Sunday and asked Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Christopher Coury to keep them sealed as trade secrets and because the Senate is immune to legal actions as a separate branch of government. The company also wants the hearing closed to the media and the public.

The Arizona First Amendment Coalition, a press freedom group whose members include Arizona print and broadcast news outlets, filed a motion Monday opposing Cyber Ninjas’ sealing and courtroom closure request.

In the filing, coalition attorney Dan Barr wrote that “the public, and especially the 2.1 million voters whose election ballots and personal information are in the hands of an out-of-state, openly partisan private company, deserve to know what is being filed with the court and what is happening in the courtroom.”

What a mess.

There got to be more to the story. It appears to be a contention between the legality of trade secrets and disclosure of results.

 

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There got to be more to the story. It appears to be a contention between the legality of trade secrets and disclosure of results.

You would hope so, but that does not appear to be the case. Unfortunately ever since Trump won the nomination in 2016 the Republican party has been a cluster****. It is almost as if they had a meeting at that point and said "Should we use sane and rational reasoning or go with the cluster****?" The few that did not vote "Cluster****" were called RINO's and chased out of the party.

 

[ecco]

There got to be more to the story. It appears to be a contention between the legality of trade secrets and disclosure of results.

What does that mean? What trade secrets? Whose trade secrets? Where did you get that information?

 

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What does that mean? What trade secrets? Whose trade secrets? Where did you get that information?

In the article that I linked the company (apparently very right wing by the way) is claiming that they do not want to leak any trade secrets. They should have thought about that before agreeing to do a count that should be public.

 

[tytlyf]

Trade secret = Ballot manipulation

 

[ecco]

What does that mean? What trade secrets? Whose trade secrets? Where did you get that information?

In the article that I linked the company (apparently very right wing by the way) is claiming that they do not want to leak any trade secrets. They should have thought about that before agreeing to do a count that should be public.

I'd still like to get a response from @Twilight Hue

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'd still like to get a response from @Twilight Hue

Explaining the Defend Trade Secrets Act

It was actually a protection during the Obama administration and passed with bipartisan support.

Keeping trade secrets dosent necessarily mean there is something shady going on.

Like just about everything these days, it has everything to do with lawyers.

 

[ecco]

Explaining the Defend Trade Secrets Act

I wasn't asking for a definition of a law.

It appears to be a contention between the legality of trade secrets and disclosure of results.

I was asking what trade secrets could be involved in recounting ballots. I don't think there are any trade secrets involved in counting ballots. If they have a way of counting ballots where only they know the methodology being used, then the results of that recount are not to be trusted.

I could say I have a method of counting ballots that involves a trade secret. The trade secret I would be that out of every one hundred, I assign 51 to Trump and 49 to Biden, regardless of what is actually on the ballots. I would definitely want to keep this method a secret.

Care to try again and explain what trade secrets the Ninjas need to keep secret and why. Care to also explain why anyone should trust something that is being done using secret methods to validate election results?

 

[tytlyf]

Explaining the Defend Trade Secrets Act

It was actually a protection during the Obama administration and passed with bipartisan support.

Keeping trade secrets dosent necessarily mean there is something shady going on.

Like just about everything these days, it has everything to do with lawyers.

Uhuh, just excuse it away. Weren't you crying over the 3 different Georgia audits?
Can you image the RW outrage if the company said "Nope, trade secrets!"

 

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And the embarrassment continues:

Arizona elections chief criticizes policies used in Maricopa County ballot recount

Let's go over some of their issues:

"PHOENIX (AP) - In March, when it was clear that the Republican-controlled Arizona Senate planned to recount presidential votes in the state’s most populous county, Democratic Secretary of State Katie Hobbs sent a letter urging the Senate president to adopt strict guidelines to ensure the results could be trusted.

Instead, President Karen Fann farmed out the recount to a supporter of election conspiracy theories with no recount experience who refused to share details of how the count would be done until a court ordered the disclosure and the recount was well underway."

Why did the Republicans hire an openly biased source? Not only that but a biased source that tired to keep their method private and apparently did for some days.

"That decision and others, including allowing a former state GOP lawmaker who was at the Jan. 6 U.S. Capitol insurrection to count ballots, seem destined to taint the results of the recount that Republicans who control the Legislature say is needed to craft election law reforms."



A bity more on this particular issue:

"Florida-based Cyber Ninjas did not initially allow journalists into Veterans Memorial Coliseum, the site of the recount where the ballots were laid out on tables. After several days, the media was allowed in but only in limited numbers under a pooling deal worked out by media attorneys.

The reporters mainly reported mundane counting procedures until Friday, when a pool reporter spotted a Republican counting ballots who lost his November re-election bid and who was at the U.S. Capitol during the insurrection in January.

Former Rep. Anthony Kern has been outspoken in his belief that Trump’s victory was stolen. He has denied entering the Capitol while participating in the rally headlined by Trump.

The reporter who spotted Kern and tweeted his picture was later ejected for doing so."

It is an interesting read. And let's not forget that at least in the first few days Republican operatives carried in banned blue and black pens. Those are not allowed at ballot counting sites since they could be used to change ballots. The whole process reeks of such extreme incompetence that any finding for Trump will be rightfully rejected. Why did the Republicans not bend over backwards to have an open and uncontested count? It looks like this is just a show for the Kool Aid drinkers at best.

 

[Stevicus]

I'm reminded of the character of Col. Flagg from M*A*S*H and thinking that someone just like him must be the one in charge of "Cyber Ninjas."

 

[ecco]

And the embarrassment continues:]The whole process reeks of such extreme incompetence that any finding for Trump will be rightfully rejected.

"rightfully rejected"? Maybe, maybe not.

If the recount goes in favor of Trump, the Sheeples will ignore everything in your article and say: SEE! WE TOLD YOU SO!

If the recount confirms Biden's victory, the Sheeples will imply that Joe's representatives changed the ballots in the five months since the election.

If the Dominion machines go in favor of Trump, the Sheeples will ignore everything in your article and say: SEE! WE TOLD YOU SO!

If the Dominion machines confirm Biden's victory, the Sheeples will imply that the machines are still rigged and the Ninjas will attest to it.

 

[Suave]

Sorry for the long title. But the far right Republican supporting company that is running the recount in Arizona wants to keep its methods secret. Now that generates all sorts of confidence in their results

Why is it that the Republicans almost always appear to be guilty of what they are accusing the Democrats of doing?

Firm recounting Arizona ballots wants methods kept secret

Florida-based Cyber Ninjas filed the policies under seal Sunday and asked Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Christopher Coury to keep them sealed as trade secrets and because the Senate is immune to legal actions as a separate branch of government. The company also wants the hearing closed to the media and the public.

The Arizona First Amendment Coalition, a press freedom group whose members include Arizona print and broadcast news outlets, filed a motion Monday opposing Cyber Ninjas’ sealing and courtroom closure request.

In the filing, coalition attorney Dan Barr wrote that “the public, and especially the 2.1 million voters whose election ballots and personal information are in the hands of an out-of-state, openly partisan private company, deserve to know what is being filed with the court and what is happening in the courtroom.”

What a mess.

I'd like to know who is paying for this joke of an audit nobody is going to take seriously.

 

[fantome profane]

I'd like to know who is paying for this joke of an audit nobody is going to take seriously.

You are.

 

[Suave]

You are.

I'm quite confident Biden won this election, so I'd consider this election audit six months after the fact to be a waste of my money.