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The big cosmic joke

839311

Well-Known Member
Lets say reality at any point in the past was entirely one being, and lets call this being God. Could it be that this being wondered whether or not he should split himself into many separate selves, and then have some of them seriously wonder whether or not they used to be part of one being? And then do so? :bonk:

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P.s. this joke can only be truly appreciated by Agnostics
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
God’s Motivation

“If you were God,” he said, “what would you want?”

“I don’t know. I barely know what I want, much less what God wants.”

“Imagine that you are omnipotent. You can do anything, create anything, be anything. As soon as you decide you want something, it becomes reality.”

I waited, knowing there was more.

He continued. “Does it make sense to think of God as wanting anything? A God would have no emotions, no fears, no desires, no curiosity, no hunger. Those are human shortcomings, not something that would be found in an omnipotent God. What then would motivate God?”

“Maybe it’s the challenge, the intellectual stimulation of creating things,” I offered.

“Omnipotence means that nothing is a challenge. And what could stimulate the mind of someone who knows everything?”

“You make it sound almost boring to be God. But I guess you’ll say boredom is a human feeling.”

“Everything that motivates living creatures is based on some weakness or flaw. Hunger motivates animals. Lust motivates animals. Fear and pain motivate animals. A God would have none of those impulses. Humans are driven by all of our animal passions plus loftier-sounding things like self-actualization and creativity and freedom and love. But God would care nothing for those things, or if he cared would already have them in unlimited quantities. None of them would be motivating.”

“So what motivates God?” I asked. “Do you have the answer to that question, or are you just yanking my chain?”

“I can conceive of only one challenge for an omnipotent being—the challenge of destroying himself.”

“You think God would want to commit suicide?” I asked.

“I’m not saying he wants anything. I’m saying it’s the only challenge.”

“I think God would prefer to exist than to not exist.”

“That’s thinking like a human, not like a God. You have a fear of death so you assume God would share your preference. But God would have no fears. Existing would be a choice. And there would be no pain of death, nor feelings of guilt or remorse or loss. Those are human feelings, not God feelings. God could simply choose to discontinue existence.”

“There’s a logical problem here, according to your way of thinking,” I said. “If God knows the future, he already knows if he will choose to end his existence, and he knows if he will succeed at it, so there’s no challenge there, either.”

“Your thinking is getting clearer,” he said. “Yes, he will know the future of his own existence under normal conditions. But would his omnipotence include knowing what happens after he loses his omnipotence, or would his knowledge of the future end at that point?”

“That sounds like a thoroughly unanswerable question. I think you’ve hit a dead end,” I said.

“Maybe. But consider this. A God who knew the answer to that question would indeed know everything and have everything. For that reason he would be unmotivated to do anything or create anything. There would be no purpose to act in any way whatsoever. But a God who had one nagging question—what happens if I cease to exist?—might be motivated to find the answer in order to complete his knowledge. And having no fear and no reason to continue existing, he might try it.”

“How would we know either way?”

“We have the answer. It is our existence. The fact that we exist is proof that God is motivated to act in some way. And since only the challenge of self-destruction could interest an omnipotent God, it stands to reason that we...”

I interrupted the old man in midsentence and stood straight up from the rocker. It felt as if a pulse of energy ran up my spine, compressing my lungs, electrifying my skin, bringing the hairs on the back of my neck to full alert. I moved closer to the fireplace, unable to absorb its heat.

“Are you saying what I think you’re saying?” My brain was taking on too much knowledge. There was overflow and I needed to shake off the excess.

The old man looked at nothing and said, “We are God’s debris.”
http://nowscape.com/godsdebris.pdf

Seems some would agree with you, in a sense.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Lets say reality at any point in the past was entirely one being, and lets call this being God. Could it be that this being wondered whether or not he should split himself into many separate selves, and then have some of them seriously wonder whether or not they used to be part of one being? And then do so? :bonk:

- 839311

P.s. this joke can only be truly appreciated by Agnostics

A bit more feasible if god wasn't in complete control of creating himself. In creating himself he probably lost physical control or the omniscience made him lose his mind.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It is beyond us mere humans to know what the ultimate joke is.
But it seems clear that we're the punch line.
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Lets say reality at any point in the past was entirely one being, and lets call this being God. Could it be that this being wondered whether or not he should split himself into many separate selves, and then have some of them seriously wonder whether or not they used to be part of one being? And then do so? :bonk:

- 839311

P.s. this joke can only be truly appreciated by Agnostics

The true God has never changed, nor shared his position with false Gods. (Isaiah 42:8) I believe all other gods are false gods, used by Satan, the god of this world, to turn people away from the one true God. (2 Corinthians 4:4,5)
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Lets say reality at any point in the past was entirely one being, and lets call this being God. Could it be that this being wondered whether or not he should split himself into many separate selves, and then have some of them seriously wonder whether or not they used to be part of one being? And then do so? :bonk:

- 839311

P.s. this joke can only be truly appreciated by Agnostics

I believe that I find your view quite amusing but humor is often based on twisting facts.
 

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Lets say reality at any point in the past was entirely one being, and lets call this being God. Could it be that this being wondered whether or not he should split himself into many separate selves, and then have some of them seriously wonder whether or not they used to be part of one being? And then do so? :bonk:

- 839311

P.s. this joke can only be truly appreciated by Agnostics
This seems to suppose that the God exists within the flow of time, rather than transcending it.

If she existed "before" the big bang and was therefore not part of the initial expansion of spacetime, then describing her with reference to time might not be applicable.
http://nowscape.com/godsdebris.pdf

Seems some would agree with you, in a sense.
I read God debris mainly because the creator of the Dilbert comic wrote it. :)
 
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