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Tennessee proposes bill to protect drivers who unintentionally hit protesters blocking streets

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Mestemia, Mar 8, 2021.

  1. Mestemia

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    The Tennessee legislature is attempting to crack down on protesters by proposing a bill that would make it a felony to obstruct a highway and grant immunity to drivers who unintentionally injure or kill someone blocking a road.

    Jamming a highway, street or sidewalk is a misdemeanor in the state, but the proposed legislation would up the punishment to a mandatory $3,000 fine. The proposal also would allow a driver who "unintentionally causes injury or death” to a person obstructing a roadway to be exempt from prosecution.

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    Additionally, the bill would make it a misdemeanor to throw an object at an individual with the intent to harm the person or "intentionally intimidating or harassing" someone who is not participating in a "riot" will result in a misdemeanor.

    Brandon Tucker, policy director at the ACLU of Tennessee, called the proposal a "dangerous anti-protest" bill that "targets peaceful assembly."​


     
  2. Revoltingest

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    The law actually sounds reasonable.
    Note that "sounds" implies this judgement's being highly preliminary.
    Blocking the free travel of others should indeed be punished.
     
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  3. The Hammer

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    Unless they are impeding emergency services, I say let them (protestors) block the highway/street.

    Also, they are essentially attempting to make it legal to run over a protestor, while claiming it was "unintentional", this seems dangerous territory.
     
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    Great so I can crash into anti-Biden protesters and claim it was accidental. "Oh officer, I did not mean to hit them, my foot just slipped"

    It is of course an effort by the extremist right to legalize a modern form of lynching - murder by car - to use against peaceful protesters. Because the authoritarians want to give terrorists a weapon to use against those they don't like.
     
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  5. Revoltingest

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    "Unintentional" seems critical.
    I dislike the idea that protestors have the right to
    detain other people. Try to detain me, & I'll resist.
    Use force to do it, & I'll respond in kind, perhaps
    with greater force if needed. To have some legal
    protection for this is useful.
    But remember....
    With great power comes great responsibility.
     
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  6. Revoltingest

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    To claim an accident when it isn't is always a problem
    in both criminal & tort law. This is nothing new.
     
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    Your violence at being inconvenienced is telling of your own irrational behaviour.

    I got stuck behind protestors for 45 minutes last summer, I did not feel the need to get angry with them, or lash out. Seems a waste of energy.

    Edit: I used the word unintentional because it's the language the law used "unintentionally causes injury or death”.
     
  8. Revoltingest

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    To those who don't value liberty as much, it would
    indeed seem irrational. It's about circumstances
    & values. So I expect opinions to vary.
    That sounds like a de minimis inconvenience.
    I'm thinking of more compelling circumstances
    than a mere momentary traffic jam.
     
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  9. The Hammer

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    The laws aren't set for nuance they are set for black and white, if one version is wrong it all is. And it is irrational.
     
  10. Revoltingest

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    In my experience, the law is full of nuance. Consider
    that a law is much more than the legislation...the case
    law is relatively voluminous, & drives decisions in court.
     
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    Call for car control regulation. Ban assault cars.

    That will solve the problem.
     
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  13. Mestemia

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    I ordered the Bumper Sticker.
    Should be here in two to three weeks.
     
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    How does one “unintentionally” run somebody over? Am I to assume said driver is speeding or something? I understand accidents happen and pedestrians are sometimes injured on the road. But a protestor?
    Aren’t protestors usually blocked by like gates or cops or something? Sounds like you’d have to go out of your way to run over a protestor. Like that guy in Charlottesville.
     
  15. Mestemia

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    A few years ago here in my neck of the woods a popular scam was to jump out in front of a moving vehicle with all intentions of getting hit.

    It is one of the main reasons I now a dash cam.
     
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    Ahh of course. I keep forgetting how many lawsuit scams there are in the US. Seriously you guys must have more lawsuits than citizens
     
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    This has me wondering about how desperate I would have to be in order to literally risk life and limb for the slight chance of a payday.

    EDIT: I'm also wondering what this comment has to do with protesters being hit by cars.
    Would you like to elaborate on that particular association here?
     
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    I only know of one way - which actually happened to someone I know: a sucidal person jumped off a bridge over the freeway into the path of traffic. The first car didn't have time to stop.

    Apart from that, it's hard to imagine a scenario where either:

    - the driver was travelling too fast to see potential hazards, or
    - the driver saw the hazard but failed to adjust their speed to be ready to stop if needed.

    Both are wilful acts, IMO.
     
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    That seems an excessive conclusion, given that even when driving recklessly, the driver does not necessarily intend to hit anybody at all.
     
  20. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Reckless driving is generally illegal: depending on the jurisdiction, it's either a major moving violation or an outright crime.
     
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