Temple of the Vampyre

[ScottySatan]

It's not hard to find information on their organization and their beliefs. It's especially not hard to find out about their ties to the Church of Satan. They're not exactly mysterious. Neither is the ONA, which is a hoax. They want to make you think they're so mysterious and exclusive. But it's all contrived.

The point was that all of those organisations have some information that is largely unknown to the public, and they are at least not desperate to give that information to the public. Public speculation on this information is overflowing and usually contradictory. The speculation naturally extends out to suupport and contradict those things that the group makes public and plain.

You may have supported my point: have you ever heard any BS about the ONA? That they were a hoax is a new story to me.

My response either way is, you can't know that any of it is true. It's all mutually contradictory stories and evidence published in the same irreputable places as the more common conspiracy theories.

It is far more accurate to let the mysterious stay that way and learn their secrets if you must by fellowship.

 

[Kori Houghton]

Years ago I interacted with a couple of people involved with the TOV, and they seemed nice enough. But my standards are a little different: my overall impression of the COS is that they are the most polite occult org I have encountered to date.

But the Vampyre aesthetic doesn't interest me, so I wasn't interested in the work of the TOV. Or the work of the TOS's OV, either.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You may have supported my point: have you ever heard any BS about the ONA? That they were a hoax is a new story to me.

It's not a big secret that the ONA was a honeytrap started by David Myatt in the '70s to lure people into neo-Nazism by way of occultism. "Anton Long" was the pseudonym that he wrote under when he first started it, but has since been used by various individuals who have written under that name.
" In respect of covert action, I came to the conclusion, following some discussions with some C88 members, that two different types of covert groups, with different strategy and tactics, might be very useful in our struggle and thus aid us directly or aid whatever right-wing political party might serve as a cover for introducing NS policies or which could be used to advance our cause. These covert groups would not be paramilitary and thus would not resort to using armed force since that option was already covered, so far as I was then concerned, by C88.

The first type of covert group would essentially be a honeytrap, to attract non-political people who might be or who had the potential to be useful to the cause even if, or especially if, they had to be 'blackmailed' or persuaded into doing so at some future time. The second type of covert group would be devoted to establishing a small cadre of NS fanatics, of 'sleepers', to - when the time was right - be disruptive or generally subversive.

Nothing came of this second idea, and the few people I recruited during 1974 for the second group, migrated to help the first group, established the previous year. However, from the outset this first group was beset with problems for - in retrospect - two quite simple reasons, both down to me. First, my lack of leadership skills, and, second, the outer nature chosen for the group which was of a secret Occult group with the 'offer', the temptation, of sexual favours from female members in a ritualized Occult setting, with some of these female members being 'on the game' and associated with someone who was associated with my small gang of thieves [...]

[The] organizer and 'leader' of this covert group [was] a comrade, a married businessman living near Manchester - being the one who had suggested the outer, the Occult, form of the group.

But what happened was that, over time and under the guidance of its mentor, the Occult and especially the hedonistic aspects came to dominate over the political and subversive intent, with the raisons d'etat of blackmail and persuasion, of recruiting useful, respectable, people thus lost. Hence, while I still considered, then and for quite some time afterwards, that the basic idea of such a subversive group, such a honeytrap, was sound, I gradually lost interest in this particular immoral honeytrap project until another spell in prison for an assortment of offences took me away from Leeds and my life as a violent neo-nazi activist [...]

I had occasion, during the 1980's, to renew my association not only with some old C88 comrades but also with the mentor of that Occult honeytrap when, after of lapse of many years, I became involved again in neo-nazi politics and revived my project of using clandestine recruitment for 'the cause'. By this time, that Occult group had developed some useful contacts, especially in the academic world, so some friendly co-operation between us was agreed; a co-operation which continued, sporadically, until just before my conversion to Islam in 1998.

This clandestine recruitment of mine was for a small National-Socialist cadre which went by a variety of names, beginning with 'G7' (soon abandoned), then The White Wolves (c. 1993), and finally the Aryan Resistance Movement aka Aryan Liberation Army [qv. Part Five for details].

However, while some of these Occult contacts were, given their professions, occasionally useful 'to the cause' and to 'our people', by 1997 I had come to the conclusion that the problems such association with Occultism and occultists caused far outweighed the subversive advantages; a conclusion which led me to re-write and re-issue a much earlier article of mine entitled Occultism and National-Socialism, and which revised article was subsequently published in the compilation Cosmic Reich by Renaissance Press of New Zealand. As I wrote in that article - "National-Socialism and Occultism are fundamentally, and irretrievably, incompatible and opposed to each other."

By the Summer of 1998 I had abandoned not only such co-operation and contacts with such Occult groups but also such clandestine recruitment on behalf of National-Socialism, concentrating instead on my Reichsfolk group and my 'revised' non-racist version of National-Socialism which I called 'ethical National-Socialism'. Later still, following my conversion to Islam, I was to reject even this version of National-Socialism."
- from his memoirs, Ethos of Extremism, Reflexions on Extremism, Politics, and A Fanatical Life

My response either way is, you can't know that any of it is true. It's all mutually contradictory stories and evidence published in the same irreputable places as the more common conspiracy theories.

It is far more accurate to let the mysterious stay that way and learn their secrets if you must by fellowship.

What exactly are you disputing about what has been said about Temple of the Vampire here? There is no group that operates in that amount of secrecy without being known. Things always come out. Their "mysterious" images are all contrived to dupe gullible people into giving their money to them. I advise anyone to stay away from such groups, as they are little more than cults and such cults are dangerous.

I'm not interested in joining their little financial racket in order to learn their allegedly "profound secrets", if you're here to solicit. I actually have all of their "vampire bibles" on my hard drive and I find their beliefs to be that of a doomsday cult. That's not something you want to be involved with.

I know this forum isn't for debates, so I apologize. But I'm honestly wondering what you think was said in this thread that was incorrect about the Temple of the Vampire.

 

[Mindmaster]

You may have supported my point: have you ever heard any BS about the ONA? That they were a hoax is a new story to me.

At least philosophically I doubt they ever existed due to them being incompatible with Satanic paradigms. Fascism being completely polarized vs individuality is just one obvious incompatibility, but the other concepts such as tribalism and encouraging murder just seal the deal for them on the side of idiocy. I don't argue that people have to die when one is endangered themselves, but killing people for politics is just a simple waste of flesh. During the time when they were laboriously leaking their material to the news feeds in the '80s there was a dearth of other material, but that didn't legimatize them. For example here is Tyagi Nagasiva whom has several 'Satanic' reference credits on the net back in the days of newsfeeds. Now, look what he's up to now. (Apparently after going postal and meshing every religion into one he became Satan's prophet... ohh my... ) ONA started posting their junk to alt.satanism back in the day around the same time. There was basically a crap flood of pretenders trying to exploit The Prince of Darkness in any way imaginable. A lot of their supposed texts circulated in text files, and the only one anyone ever passed around was their commentary on human sacrifice -- apparently bad news travels the fastest.

A lot of neo-nazi groups start an occult arm that deals with symbolic Satanism or old pagan themes -- it makes it easy to get young impressionable minds -- at least if you lead them around enough by giving them enough tail... Most of them go for middle to late teens recruits, so obviously this cool stuff draws them in. If ONA was real at all -- it would have been real in this sense. Don't worry -- JoV followed their ideas as well, and really is a stateside neo-nazi arm -- they even share the PO box with the 'neo-nazi' group. But, at least their people actually exist even if they have a silly conception of Satan.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

At least philosophically I doubt they ever existed due to them being incompatible with Satanic paradigms. Fascism being completely polarized vs individuality is just one obvious incompatibility, but the other concepts such as tribalism and encouraging murder just seal the deal for them on the side of idiocy. I don't argue that people have to die when one is endangered themselves, but killing people for politics is just a simple waste of flesh. During the time when they were laboriously leaking their material to the news feeds in the '80s there was a dearth of other material, but that didn't legimatize them. For example here is Tyagi Nagasiva whom has several 'Satanic' reference credits on the net back in the days of newsfeeds. Now, look what he's up to now. (Apparently after going postal and meshing every religion into one he became Satan's prophet... ohh my... ) ONA started posting their junk to alt.satanism back in the day around the same time. There was basically a crap flood of pretenders trying to exploit The Prince of Darkness in any way imaginable. A lot of their supposed texts circulated in text files, and the only one anyone ever passed around was their commentary on human sacrifice -- apparently bad news travels the fastest.

A lot of neo-nazi groups start an occult arm that deals with symbolic Satanism or old pagan themes -- it makes it easy to get young impressionable minds -- at least if you lead them around with enough by giving them enough tail... Most of them go for middle to late teens recruits, so obviously this cool stuff draws them in. If ONA was real at all -- it would have been real in this sense. Don't worry -- JoV followed their ideas as well, and really is a stateside neo-nazi arm -- they even share the PO box with the 'neo-nazi' group. But, at least their people actually exist even if they have a silly conception of Satan.

Well put.

 

[ScottySatan]

But I'm honestly wondering what you think was said in this thread that was incorrect about the Temple of the Vampire.

I didn't say that anything in this thread was incorrect, I said that you shouldn't believe anything that anyone says about the Temple.

 

[Adrift]

Just a desperate appeal to people who want to be dark and menacing.

$100 a month so you can carry a membership card? And $35 for a hardcover bible? Which is only 20 pages? Who puts a hardcover on 20 pages? Sounds like a picture book.

Edit: Oops, thought I was on the last page. Sorry for getting off topic a bit =P

 

[1137]

I'm not really a big fan of organized religious type groups in general. CoS is kind of a joke, at least these days. As for the ONA it seems like a Joy of Satan type thing, drawing in a certain type of mind with dark, aggressive imagery and forcing fascism on them.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I didn't say that anything in this thread was incorrect, I said that you shouldn't believe anything that anyone says about the Temple.

Fair enough.

 

[Jacksnyte]

What do you think? Cult? Interesting? True?

From what I've got out of it, it's telling you that a true Vampyre never dies, and they trying to get you to use Cryonics after you die, which I was planning on doing anyway, no need for a money-cult to tell me to do it

Temple of the Vampire

I think it is entertaining, but I have a hard time taking them all that seriously. Seems too much like an extended LARP to me!

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Bump.

 

[Desert Snake]

I'm not into the vampire thing, never have been. That being said it's obviously a personal like/dislike of mostly the Dracula portrayals in movies/book that seem to have given a set of themes which are accepted as "vampiric"

 

[Orias]

I have nothing personal against "vampires" or "vampyres", but I don't necessarily trust them. I tend to believe they can develop psychic manipulative abilities and they feed off that.

But I guess it is no different than anything else really. Life feeds off life, its kind of creepy like that.

 

[ScottySatan]

Having talked to a current member, their big thing is immortality or the closest they can get to it. Not necessarily at the expense of others, and not necessarily emulating any mythical characters.

It's claimed that one of the solutions being looked into is medical science. I'm a little skeptical of that because individuals don't have the cash to do medical science. That takes billions.

Also, it's claimed that by applying the secret techniques of the ToV, some members have made it to a very old age and/or appear younger than they should. Again skeptical.

 

[Orias]

Immortality simply requires many sacrifices. Its not something I prefer, since I am I will always be.

 

[Kemble]

Immortality simply requires many sacrifices.

A little, but not necessarily anymore than what we do daily in terms of waking up every morning, saying "yes" to life, and committing to eating, exercising, et cetera. In other words "immortality" isn't necessarily a state or line to cross into as much as a continuous process of living like we do daily (without being on a ticking time bomb).

On a related note Elizer Yudkowsky explains the potential value of it: The Meaning That Immortality Gives to Life | Singularity Institute

 

[Orias]

Well it depends, do you want to exist in a book or the internet forever, do you want your body to exceed to crushing fever of time, do you want your spirit to exist infinitely to travel across all dimensions?

What is immortality, in terms of how you perceive your will to interact with the fabric of influence around you?

 

[fnord]

Regarding the linking of the C/S and the ToV, they share many members in common and the reason that they are on the same server is that Ventrue (C/S Magister who owns LTTD & Satannet) is also a member of the ToV and Nemo (also a C/S Magister) owns the ToV. So, in a nutshell, Ventrue hosts his buddy's website and probably helps him run it.

There is a long history of compatibility between Satanism and Vampirism (most eloquently detailed in the ToS Pylon - which has no affiliation with ToV but does publicly share perspective). Nemo (who I quite like) alludes to the fact that within the ToV there is both fact and fantasy. It's up to the individual to discern which is which. In other words, if you buy into it and you don't know what you're getting, it's on you.

Just for clarification, I am a lifetime member, though inactive, so I do have direct experience. It's not for everyone but there is value there for those who attune to it. My own inactive status is simply representative of the fact that I got all out of it what I felt I wanted out of it for the time being. I certainly wouldn't discourage any interested party to have a look for themselves.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

In other words, if you buy into it and you don't know what you're getting, it's on you.

That just sounds to me like they're not above scamming people. I don't like that. State what you're about, none of this "vague and mysterious" crap.

 

[fnord]

Well, the initial step is to buy an inexpensive book, read it, and take the opportunity offered to ask questions. With the purchase of most books, one seldom has the opportunity to engage the author(s) in a Q&A.

At that point you decide whether or not you feel it worth your time to spend more money. If you do decide to engage, there is full disclosure about subsequent steps.

Of course, those interested in joining should realize that it is an occult/esoteric organization. As with any religion, meaning/value is self defined. Anyone looking for the ultimate answer from an external source will likely be disappointed (which is a different conversation).

Realize I have nothing to gain by speaking about this here. I have seen many references to the ToV across the internet referring to it as a 'rip off'. In my view, the only way this could be true would be if either someone had overly high and/or unrealistic expectations or if they failed to take the opportunity to engage and do their homework.