Supreme Court revisits the Chevron Deference.

[Shadow Wolf]

Do we really want him making important decisions?

MAGAs and Cons who want a weaker government, yes.

 

[icehorse]

This is simply the latest attempt by the right-wing Creation haters to rape the Earth for profit. Disgusting and needs to be fought 'tooth and nail.'

I think the oligarchs manipulate all of us, left, center, and right.

 

[Regiomontanus]

I think the oligarchs manipulate all of us, left, center, and right.

Yes, indeed. What troubles me is that my brothers and sisters on the right (loosely speaky, but referring to the extremes of the two main political parties in America today. I prefer to not generalize because we all agree on some issues) buy into the BS behind the arguments here. I say 'to hell' to any law or precedent that does not protect what remains of our biosphere. The elephant in the room being ignored here is, of course, capitalism.

 

[wellwisher]

Yes, indeed. What troubles me is that my brothers and sisters on the right (loosely speaky, but referring to the extremes of the two main political parties in America today. I prefer to not generalize because we all agree on some issues) buy into the BS behind the arguments here. I say 'to hell' to any law or precedent that does not protect what remains of our biosphere. The elephant in the room being ignored here is, of course, capitalism.

There are more Agencies than the EPA. Below is a partial list of unelected officials who have no Constitutional checks and balances, beyond partisan appointments at the top to game the free lance status of the Agencies.

A to Z Index of U.S. Government Agencies. Updated by the Federal Register, includes list of all 438 agencies and sub-agencies. VP, Secretary of Agriculture, Commerce, Defense, Education, Energy, HHS, Homeland Security, HUD, Labor, State, Transportation, Treasury, Veterans Affairs & Attorney General.

Will someone like Einstein need to become a Representative, so we can do better than the Department of Education's expert road toward decline? Who decided teaching just pronouns, was better than all the modifiers of English? Who decided parents are enemies of the state for complaining about indoctrination into science fiction; accommodating 2% of the population is not based on the majority rule of a Democracy.

Each Agency thinks it is the most important and each strives to grow. These unelected Agencies are the shadow government or the body of the Swamp, that does not report to the people It is composed of partisan appointment and people you cannot fire; unions. Collectively this is the largest branch of government, but was never included in the Constitution in its current capacity. How do we include it? We may not need to get rid of it, but how do we make it part of checks and balances?

The Left speaks of inclusion, so how do the Agencies become included in a Constitutional Republic of the People? Loading them up with DEI partisan hacks only made the problem worse. This was the straw that broke the camel's back.

 

[Revoltingest]

The elephant in the room being ignored here is, of course, capitalism.

Environmental degradation has been endemic under
socialism too, especially USSR & China.
If we want a good environment, then that should be
the goal....not pursuing a mirage you believe will
accomplish it indirectly.
The issue here is who should craft legislation, ie,
should un-elected administrators have that power?
Or should Congress assume greater responsibility
as required by the Constitution.

Protect our environment...do it better
than it currently is....but do it legally.

 

[icehorse]

Yes, indeed. What troubles me is that my brothers and sisters on the right (loosely speaky, but referring to the extremes of the two main political parties in America today. I prefer to not generalize because we all agree on some issues) buy into the BS behind the arguments here. I say 'to hell' to any law or precedent that does not protect what remains of our biosphere. The elephant in the room being ignored here is, of course, capitalism.

It seems we're closely aligned here. Absolutely ecological overshoot is our number one problem. I would amend your elephant slightly and say that the elephant in the room is the myth of endless growth. A well monitored capitalism (which we no longer have), does NOT require endless growth to be healthy.

 

[wellwisher]

Environmental degradation has been endemic under
socialism too, especially USSR & China.
If we want a good environment, then that should be
the goal....not pursuing a mirage you believe will
accomplish it indirectly.
The issue here is who should craft legislation, ie,
should un-elected administrators have that power?
Or should Congress assume greater responsibility
as required by the Constitution.

Protect our environment...do it better
than it currently is....but do it legally.

Part of the problem with the Administrative state, like the EPA, is they lead from the back, instead of the front. Leading from the back becomes ripe for political interference and hot air. An analogy for leading from the back, is like the house wife, who wants to expand the kitchen, and decides she wants to blow out an exterior wall and build toward the garden. She, like the EPA, sets a lofty goal, but has no clue of how to do it in an economical or technical way. She and the EPA are oblivious to the challenges and the hidden costs imposed on others, besides herself. She expects the husband; industry, to figure it out. She is not a real expert, even if she has the leverage of nagging. Her job is to nag and black mail, but she is not the doer, who needs to build the addition, on time, to code, in spite of the technical challenges and potential extra costs.

I used to work for the DOE; Department of Energy, as a development engineering, working for a Nuclear Industry Contractor who was funded by the DOE. My job was to develop environmental technology for the Nuclear Industries, that could meet the EPA standards, 10 years in advance; I also needed to provide new technology to the industry ahead of the compliance dates. This is how the government agencies should work.

Leading from the back imposes clueless nonsense. Leading from the front does not imposed anything, until you can prove it is viable, in a cost effective way. When I gave presentations to workshops for Nuclear Contractors, the Industry was more than willing to transition to "new tech on a plate", when Government leads from the front. Stupid from the back can pretend to be experts. This is ripe for political nonsense.

For example, Biden wants to get rid of gas stoves. The problem is the hot air flow convection, created by gas stove tops, provides even heating for cooking. The basic electric stove, spot heats, which is not a good for gourmet cooks. Now, Biden can just get the unregulated EPA, to write a regulation, then he can send in the goons, to force change with fines and jail, with the Industry having to invent the electric convection stove top.

How about we modernize the EPA to lead from the front. If the EPA wants to make such a stove change, they first need to present a cost effective prototype, or else they need to wait until their can. I have demonstrated it can be done if you have people who are the real experts, and not just pretend experts who specialize in nagging, fear mongering, and abuse.

These are supposed to be Agencies of the US Government; The Big Dog in terms of resources and manpower. They can recruit whomever they need. Let the Agencies lead from the front. Legal and economic agencies will first need to write Academic Papers, showing the pros and cons of their new regulations, to university audiences to critique, and not just impose standards, that harm people and that then be polished later in courts, due to built in political overreach. The latter is not an expert, but a political hack and con artist.

We need to expect more from the Agencies, thereby making political scheming a thing of the past. Do you think the DOJ could write an academic paper on the validity of partisan social media censorship? Or does just doing it, make it easier for political purposes? Accountability can be done with prototypes leading, easier than with just double talking. We do not need more paper pushers and goons, but more development people and intellectuals on the front lines of Agencies opening new well planned territory.

Instead of using the EPA to try to kill fossil fuel, with unbearable standards, the EPA and the DOE, should have worked a joined task force, to get the bugs out of electric and hydrogen energy, so there are a tangible offerings on the plate for the transition date. This would be good for the free market and could stimulated the economy, due less upfront development and less time in court trying to fight off Agency goons, who have no clue how to do it. Today, the Agencies have the problem of being too linear, caused by too many years of leading from the back; nagging. Instead of compliance officers; nags. we give industry development expertise; positive.

 

[Revoltingest]

Part of the problem with the Administrative state, like the EPA, is they lead from the back, instead of the front. Leading from the back becomes ripe for political interference and hot air. An analogy for leading from the back, is like the house wife, who wants to expand the kitchen, and decides she wants to blow out an exterior wall and build toward the garden. She, like the EPA, sets a lofty goal, but has no clue of how to do it in an economical or technical way. She and the EPA are oblivious to the challenges and the hidden costs imposed on others, besides herself. She expects the husband; industry, to figure it out. She is not a real expert, even if she has the leverage of nagging. Her job is to nag and black mail, but she is not the doer, who needs to build the addition, on time, to code, in spite of the technical challenges and potential extra costs.

I used to work for the DOE; Department of Energy, as a development engineering, working for a Nuclear Industry Contractor who was funded by the DOE. My job was to develop environmental technology for the Nuclear Industries, that could meet the EPA standards, 10 years in advance; I also needed to provide new technology to the industry ahead of the compliance dates. This is how the government agencies should work.

Leading from the back imposes clueless nonsense. Leading from the front does not imposed anything, until you can prove it is viable, in a cost effective way. When I gave presentations to workshops for Nuclear Contractors, the Industry was more than willing to transition to "new tech on a plate", when Government leads from the front. Stupid from the back can pretend to be experts. This is ripe for political nonsense.

For example, Biden wants to get rid of gas stoves. The problem is the hot air flow convection, created by gas stove tops, provides even heating for cooking. The basic electric stove, spot heats, which is not a good for gourmet cooks. Now, Biden can just get the unregulated EPA, to write a regulation, then he can send in the goons, to force change with fines and jail, with the Industry having to invent the electric convection stove top.

How about we modernize the EPA to lead from the front. If the EPA wants to make such a stove change, they first need to present a cost effective prototype, or else they need to wait until their can. I have demonstrated it can be done if you have people who are the real experts, and not just pretend experts who specialize in nagging, fear mongering, and abuse.

These are supposed to be Agencies of the US Government; The Big Dog in terms of resources and manpower. They can recruit whomever they need. Let the Agencies lead from the front. Legal and economic agencies will first need to write Academic Papers, showing the pros and cons of their new regulations, to university audiences to critique, and not just impose standards, that harm people and that then be polished later in courts, due to built in political overreach. The latter is not an expert, but a political hack and con artist.

We need to expect more from the Agencies, thereby making political scheming a thing of the past. Do you think the DOJ could write an academic paper on the validity of partisan social media censorship? Or does just doing it, make it easier for political purposes? Accountability can be done with prototypes leading, easier than with just double talking. We do not need more paper pushers and goons, but more development people and intellectuals on the front lines of Agencies opening new well planned territory.

Instead of using the EPA to try to kill fossil fuel, with unbearable standards, the EPA and the DOE, should have worked a joined task force, to get the bugs out of electric and hydrogen energy, so there are a tangible offerings on the plate for the transition date. This would be good for the free market and could stimulated the economy, due less upfront development and less time in court trying to fight off Agency goons, who have no clue how to do it. Today, the Agencies have the problem of being too linear, caused by too many years of leading from the back; nagging. Instead of compliance officers; nags. we give industry development expertise; positive.

I don't trust Congress to do a better job then
the EPA, but I do expect them all to honor the
Constitution.
BTW, electric ranges with induction cooktops
are better than gas. More efficient, better air
quality, safer.

Pros and Cons of Induction Cooktops and Ranges - Consumer Reports

Consumer Reports highlights the pros and cons of induction cooktops and ranges, which cook faster and are more energy-efficient than regular electric ranges.

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