You are obsessed by Creationists. Why ? I have never brought Creationism up, never described it. My posts have been directly related to abiogenesis.
Watchmaker Theory
"My point is this, Divine creation is just as valid for the existence of the universe as any other of the theories proposed, but yet it is always the least considered, or nor considered at all, why is this..."
Watchmaker Theory
" So, if we proceed on the issue of Divine creation, under the "watchmaker theory' thread which I am happy to do, I will object and point out where the judge ( you) are unfair as to the evidence. I will begin to present my case; Statement one : The universe began from an unknown cause, outside of the universe, for which no applicable method can determine this cause, no rules of physics apply, and no knowledge can be obtained of conditions, if any, before the big bang. This first cause could just as easily be the result of Divine creation as any other material first cause. "
Catholicism vs. Christianity
" I believe God created humanity in a perfect state, with sex both for pleasure within the confines of marriage and reproduction. Homosexuality was not intended by God. Within the framework of a perfect creation, humanity in it's infancy rebelled and was inherently marred by what God called evil. "
Why Creationism Should Not Be Taught As Science | NCSE
"I know quite a number of creationists who are intellectuals, just not your kind of intellectuals....
Atheists, where did the universe come from?
"What was the first cause for the creation of the universe ? God is as good an answer as anything else. "
For creationists: Show evidences for creation of man
"----IF---- there is absolutely no evidence for Gods creation of man, yet WE have faith in it, and there is no evidence for abiogenesis, but YOU have faith in it, why do you believe YOUR faith is somehow superior to OURS ?"...
"GOD created humans."
"God created people from soil, there you go. "
Good thing you totally never mention creation.
Also had a good laugh at your obsession with Miller's work:
For creationists: Show evidences for creation of man
"Miller Urey and all subsequent experiments of its kind are examples of INTELLIGENT DESIGN, not random natural forces."
Still waiting for you to explain how scientific experiments
should be done to your liking. Remind us all how much experience and background you have in science and scientific research, won't you?
Why do you have to keep bringing creationism up ? Strange.
Golly, who can say....
Almost as strange as the tendency of creationists to conflate evolution and abiogenesis, such as you did
here:
"Macro evolutionists ALWAYS avoid the creation of life, even though their theory is rigidly linked to it."
Why they employ such false and naive claims is clear to those of us that understand the facts.
There is no scientifically verifiable evidence for creationism or abiogenesis. That is the whole point.
Yet that is a false claim, for there IS research being done in abiogenesis - evidence that you struggle mightily to dismiss, primarily via mis-characterizing or ignoring or dismissing it. There is FAR more
research being done in OOL than there is among creation 'scientists' in creation - indeed, there is virtually ZERO research done on creation by creation 'scientists - do you find that odd? 99% of creation 'research' consists of nit-picking evolution research or
ad hominem assaults on Darwin or evolution researchers. Pretty pathetic.
Accepting one, or the other, is a matter of belief and faith.
False equivalence.
CREATIONIST: Abiogenis has no evidence, creation has no evidence (except for bible lore, which is TRUE!), so accepting either is just faith.
REALIST: Um.. bible creation myths have no evidence at all, this is true, but here are 100 research papers over the last several decades documenting evidence supporting aspects of abiogenesis that creationists have been denying for decades, even though refutations of many of their claims are known to them. Has 'life been created from non-life in a lab' yet? Not at all, and nobody has claimed otherwise*. Have aspects of chemical evolution and bio-organic/prebiotic chemistry claimed to be impossible for decades (e.g., natural/prebiotic synthesis of organic molecules favoring asymmetrical production of L-isomers) been observed/demonstrated? Yes. Have any comparable research been done for fiat Divine creation? Nope.
CREATIONIST: See? No evidence for either. We are on equal footing. And by the way, Darwin was a racist!
So what ? This isn´t new to me, and doesn´t change the fact that Miller Urey used an environment and components, like purified water, that did not exist on the primitive earth. Further, many OOL researchers believe that lightning was not present in the early atmosphere.
For crying out loud, even Wikipedia demolishes your naive complaints:
Miller–Urey experiment - Wikipedia
"After Miller's death in 2007, scientists examining sealed vials preserved from the original experiments were able to show that there were actually well over 20 different amino acids produced in Miller's original experiments....
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Other experiments
This experiment inspired many others. In 1961, Joan Oró found that the nucleotide base adenine could be made from hydrogen cyanide (HCN) and ammonia in a water solution. ...
...K. A. Wilde submitted a paper to Science on December 15, 1952, before Miller submitted his paper to the same journal on February 10, 1953. Wilde's paper was published on July 10, 1953.[19] Wilde used voltages up to only 600 V on a binary mixture of carbon dioxide (CO2) and water in a flow system. He observed only small amounts of carbon dioxide reduction to carbon monoxide, and no other significant reduction products or newly formed carbon compounds. Other researchers were studying UV-photolysis of water vapor with carbon monoxide. They have found that various alcohols, aldehydes and organic acids were synthesized in reaction mixture...
When Bada performed the Miller-type experiment with the addition of iron and carbonate minerals, the products were rich in amino acids. This suggests the origin of significant amounts of amino acids may have occurred on Earth even with an atmosphere containing carbon dioxide and nitrogen....
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Some evidence suggests that Earth's original atmosphere might have contained fewer of the reducing molecules than was thought at the time of the Miller–Urey experiment. T... Experiments using these gases in addition to the ones in the original Miller–Urey experiment have produced more diverse molecules. The experiment created a mixture that was racemic (containing both L and D enantiomers) and experiments since have shown that "in the lab the two versions are equally likely to appear";[23] however, in nature, L amino acids dominate. Later experiments have confirmed disproportionate amounts of L or D oriented enantiomers are possible.[24]
Originally it was thought that the primitive secondary atmosphere contained mostly ammonia and methane. However, it is likely that most of the atmospheric carbon was CO2 with perhaps some CO and the nitrogen mostly N2. In practice gas mixtures containing CO, CO2, N2, etc. give much the same products as those containing CH4 and NH3 so long as there is no O2. The hydrogen atoms come mostly from water vapor. In fact, in order to generate aromatic amino acids under primitive earth conditions it is necessary to use less hydrogen-rich gaseous mixtures. Most of the natural amino acids, hydroxyacids, purines, pyrimidines, and sugars have been made in variants of the Miller experiment.[8][25]
...One of the authors, Owen Toon notes: "In this new scenario, organics can be produced efficiently in the early atmosphere, leading us back to the organic-rich soup-in-the-ocean concept... I think this study makes the experiments by Miller and others relevant again." Outgassing calculations using a chondritic model for the early earth complement the Waterloo/Colorado results in re-establishing the importance of the Miller–Urey experiment.[27]
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In 2008, a group of scientists examined 11 vials left over from Miller's experiments of the early 1950s. In addition to the classic experiment, reminiscent of Charles Darwin's envisioned "warm little pond", Miller had also performed more experiments, including one with conditions similar to those of volcanic eruptions. This experiment had a nozzle spraying a jet of steam at the spark discharge. By using high-performance liquid chromatography and mass spectrometry, the group found more organic molecules than Miller had. They found that the volcano-like experiment had produced the most organic molecules, 22 amino acids, 5 amines and many hydroxylated molecules, which could have been formed by hydroxyl radicals produced by the electrified steam. The group suggested that volcanic island systems became rich in organic molecules in this way, and that the presence of carbonyl sulfide there could have helped these molecules form peptides....
At least update your archived retorts.
*YEC veterinarian Randy Wysong wrote a book in the 1970s in which he indicated that this actually had been done, but declared it invalid because the researchers used 'know how' in the experiments - much like your harping on 'intelligent designed' experiments and the like. How disingenuous YECs are.