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Sources vs Science

gnostic

The Lost One
There is evidence of the Hebrews being in Egypt and that even the 12 sons of Jacob with Joseph were there in the place that Genesis says they settled.
There is evidence of the conquest story.
The problem seems to be that most historians and archaeologists want things to have happened in the 13th century BC when they happened in the 15th century BC, so they so "no evidence here".
That approaches insanity imo.
This is less to do with natural sciences or physical sciences, and more to do with historical accounts and archaeological evidence.

And what you are claiming there being evidence about Jacob and his sons in Egypt, Moses freeing and leading Hebrews out of Egypt through Rameses (in Egyptian it is called Pi-Ramesses, the House Of Ramesses), and the conquest of Canaan (which would include the fall of Jericho)...none of them true.

If 1 Kings 6:1 is correct, that Moses leading freed Israelites from Rameses (Pi-Ramesses), Exodus 12:37, then this “exodus” would have occurred 480 years before Solomon started building the Temple, hence 1447 BCE (967 BCE + 480 years = 1447 BCE).

You are right about exodus started in the 15th century BCE, as I had shown with my calculation 1447 BCE. And that’s the only thing you got right, but there are many problems with 1447 BCE, namely the timeline of Moses: with the existence of Rameses/Pi-Ramesses (Exodus 1:11 & 12:37) and with Jericho’s fall and abandonment (Joshua 6).

Hence the timeline in Exodus 1:11 & 12:37 and Joshua 6 would be as follow:

Moses birth/Ramses construction (1527 BCE) —> exodus from Ramses (1447 BCE) —> fall of Jericho (either 1407 or 1406 BCE).​

Let’s start with Jericho.

Jericho was the start of Joshua leading the invasion into Canaan, post-1407 BCE, based on the Book of Joshua.

This date would put during the reign of Amenhotep II (1425 - 1398 BCE).

Depending on if capture of Jericho on the year of Moses’ death in 1407 BCE, or the following year 1406 BCE, it doesn’t really matter, because the desertion of Jericho during the Late Bronze Age have been thoroughly investigated, analyzed and dated to 1570/1560 BCE, not 1407 BCE.

Archaeologists have been through Jericho, and it was wrongly dated by John Garstang in the 1930s that it was abandoned at the same time as the battle to late 15th century BCE, hence 1407 BCE.

But another examination during the early 1950s by Kathleen Kenyon, put the date to around 1550 BCE. More recent dating of Jericho in 1995 by Bruins and var der Plicht, carbon dated to around 1570 BCE, so Kenyon was more closer than Garstang.

So the archaeology conclude that Jericho have predated not only Moses’ birth in 1527 BCE, but also Rameses/Pi-Ramesses, which wouldn’t exist when Jericho became ghost town.

Also Joshua couldn’t have started the conquest of Canaan during Amenhotep’s reign because both Syria and Canaan were vassals during his reign and his father. If the Israelites had invaded Canaan, the Israelites would have encountered Egyptian army and garrisons. Joshua make no mention of Egyptians being in Canaan, and the annals during Amenhotep make no mention of Israelites invading his empire.

Next Rameses, or the actual name Pi-Ramesses in Egyptian.

According to Exodus, Rameses was under construction (Exodus 11) around the time of Moses’ birth in 1527 BCE.

This date - 1527 BCE - would have put during the reign of Ahmose I (c 1549 - 1524 BCE), who started the 18th dynasty, and was responsible for the expulsion of the Hyksos, a Semitic people who ruled northern Egypt, during the 15th dynasty.

The date of the exodus, from Rameses 80 years later, in 1447 BCE, which would put in the reign of Thutmose III (reign 1479 - 1425 BCE), the father of Amenhotep II; Amenhotep whom I have already mentioned in regarding to Jericho.

But based on Egyptian records, Pi-Ramesses never existed at any time, during the 18th dynasty, because it was built by the 2nd king in the 19th dynasty, Seti I (reign 1290 - 1279 BCE), and the city was named after his father Ramesses I (1292 - 1290 BCE), who was the founder of 19th dynasty. The city was completed by Seti’s son, Ramesses II (1279 - 1213 BCE).

There are no evidence of Moses or Joshua in Egyptian records, no evidence of invasion in Canaan, and Jericho abandonment occurred a couple of centuries BEFORE the construction of Pi-Ramesses.

So your claims of evidence about the Bible in this period are just as false as your claims about Noah and the Flood, also without evidence.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
The idea that God created everything has not been refuted even if a young earth creationism has.
It is good when science starts showing us that what the Bible tells us is true. IMO that is happening.
Science is evidence based but it is not rational to say that science shows us that there is no God.
Actually with science showing that the history of the early earth as shown in the Bible is correct, that would make it rational to believe the Bible.
It hasn't been refuted that a universe-vomiting turtle created everything either.

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim, not on the person who doesn't accept the claim. Claims need to be demonstrated, not just asserted.
 
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