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The point is simply that welfare is not a loss to the economy, it does not cost the economy - it powers it. The children get to eat and go to school, the crime rate drops like a hung man and the small towns come back to life because people have money to spend.
Cheers. What offends me is when people talk about work ethics and so on - as if millions of people working in the US for less than a subsistance wage is a 'good work ethic' as opposed to slavery.
Brilliant Lyndon. The whole 'trickle down' mythology of the eighties was an utter catastrophy. Trickle up - indeed!
The basic income.
About Basic Income
A basic income is an income unconditionally granted to all on an individual basis, without means test or work requirement. It is a form of minimum income guarantee that differs from those that now exist in various European countries in three important ways:
Sounds mental, but it could cut through a lot of bureaucracy of the modern welfare state and sidesteps a lot of the associated bitterness. Trials have been very promising with almost entirely positive outcomes. See for example:
- it is being paid to individuals rather than households;
- it is paid irrespective of any income from other sources;
- it is paid without requiring the performance of any work or the willingness to accept a job if offered.
INDIA: Basic Income Pilot Project releases an impressive list of findings. | Basic Income News
And I can think of a simple way of paying for it. Instead of billions in corporate welfare to encourage the owners to maintain employment, just give people they money directly and let them set about their own work.
For the Libertarian what could be more attractractive than everyone having the ability to engage in free economic enterprise. A society of rugged individual exchange.
Seriously though, this seems like a policy that left and right can meet on.
Robots are doing more and more work. Also. some people find working enjoyable.
What proof do you have of that? Have any Studies you can cite
I think there are. First, they would not compete with those who want the limited number of jobs that will become fewer as robots replace human workers, second, it would no longer encourage useless busy work creating demand for things that people would not want: junk food, tobacco, alcohol, the extra labor of building SUV's instead of cars, motor homes, the requirement of throwing away and replacing clothes only because they go out of style, all the things that people are programmed to experience the illusion that they are freely choosing to desire.
Me? I'm spreading the love.
May I ask why you think people must work? Who said so? Hundreds of thousands of priveledged elite do no work, and yet have fabulous wealth. Why must only the poor have a work ethic? Why do the rich get an exemption from the obligation to work?
, if everyone gets a living wage, and the rich accept it, then they work like everyone else, unless they sign a waver saying they will accept no money, nor use ANY Government paid programs. No free college, or Senior services, etc. This should give pause to the rich. Perhaps they should do some form of work, as at any point they could lose their money, and have no access to the Social programs, as they never participated.
Why? We had governments for millenia when the average person worked less than three hours a day.
Sure, but income tax is not the only stream of tax revenue - or the largest.
So some people are exempt because relatives of theors worked? Sounds fair.
We agree on a great deal. Cheers.Do I think all that money should be in the hands of the wealthy? Obviously not, as I believe in a Socialist Democracy. However, I don't know how you would get around family money that has already been made, without flopping to the bad side of old socialism.
However, in my Socialist Democracy
As I said, I believe every adult should get a living wage, but they should give back to the society, for that wage, by carrying their own weight. I don't care if they are a doctor, or a weed whacker on the side of the road, just do something in payback to the society providing you your livelihood, and keep it from collapsing.
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The collapse is inevitable because money is distributed by paying most people to do often pointless penitence for their incomes in a desperate attempt to keep people busy. But the owners of the robots collect all the money made from the robotic labor and only an elite upper class get rich usually solely by impoverishing everybody else. As for any virtue in dedication to jobs and work ethic that is going obsolete and punishing whoever is stripped of the power to practice any form of self-defense and pay less and less and an economic system owned and run by predatory sharks who are out to make people freeze to death as street people and do so because they can get away with it, why should anyone care if they contribute to a system that is their enemy.