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Some Catholic Questions

In in RCIA and really love the MASS. I do love the Mass greatly. I always go up and get a blessing.

I have some deep questions though that I've not yet asked in RCIA.

S*x and no birth control. Is the church against non marriage s*x? If I have a girlfriend and we want to have s*x, that is a big no no? Also, if we were to get married, we should not use birth control?

In the Catholic belief, is s*x only for making babies and nothing else?

What if I get married and my wife and I can only afford to have one child.
What then? Can't we use birth control?

Thanks
 

Renji

Well-Known Member
Hello there.;)

To answer that, here's a line from the Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding premarital sex:
2353. "Fornication is carnal union between an unmarried man and an unmarried woman. It is gravely contrary to the dignity of persons and of human sexuality which is naturally ordered to the good of spouses and the generation and education of children. Moreover, it is a grave scandal when there is corruption of the young."

2396. "Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices."

And about contraceptives, well this is a part on what the Church have to say about that:

Responsible married couples feel more the love from each other when in time of their intercourse the act is accompanied with respect and discipline.
 

Jordan St. Francis

Well-Known Member
Saving sex until marriage is in harmony with the Church's most ancient teachings about the sanctity of sexuality and marriage.

The Church Magisterium does teach that all artificial contraceptives are gravely immoral, but this is seriously contested in some Catholic circles. The most recent and sternly authoritative document was Humanae Vitae of Paul VI, which prohibited their use under any circumstance.

Yet the Canadian Catholic bishops (all of whom hold the fullness of holy orders and stand in Apostolic Succession) did say:

The unity of the Church does not consist in a bland conformity in all ideas, but rather in a union of faith and heart, in submission to God's will and a humble but honest and ongoing search for the truth.

It is a fact that a certain number of Catholics, although admittedly subject to the teaching of the encyclical, find it either extremely difficult or even impossible to make their own all elements of this doctrine.
In accord with the accepted principles of moral theology, if these persons have tried sincerely but without success to pursue a line of conduct in keeping with the given directives, they may be safely assured that whoever honestly chooses that course which seems right to him does so in good conscience.

Some will object that this is simply moral relativism, though I think the Winnipeg Statement I am quoting is more complex and is not simply issuing a blanket permissiveness.

In my opinion, God is not really concerned with how many children you create, but rather with preserving the dignity and humanity of sexual relationships. Because man is fallen, this is not easy to do.

The Church delivers an objective moral path--- but even in the admittance of natural birth control (an obvious innovation and compromise) admits something of the subjective element of our moral odyssey, urging us to take recourse to conscience.

I would advise you to be honest with yourself and God when considering your sexual motivations, advise you away from mindless fidelity to Papal teachings and also remind you that the confessional is always available.

God bless.
 

paulinus

New Member
Teh Church is commissioned to teach "go teach all nations"- about life. It;s function is not to provide answers to every question. We have free will and choice . But we will have to justify our choices to God when the time comes.
 
In in RCIA and really love the MASS. I do love the Mass greatly. I always go up and get a blessing.

I have some deep questions though that I've not yet asked in RCIA.

S*x and no birth control. Is the church against non marriage s*x? If I have a girlfriend and we want to have s*x, that is a big no no? Also, if we were to get married, we should not use birth control?

In the Catholic belief, is s*x only for making babies and nothing else?

What if I get married and my wife and I can only afford to have one child.
What then? Can't we use birth control?

Thanks

Have you ever visited the "Catholic Answers" website? I highly recommend it: It has a wealth of information, all of which is 100% faithiful and in fidelity to authentic Catholic teaching (no goofy stuff). I also highly recommend listening to their daily radio show, "Catholic Answers LIVE." It is a call-in Q & A show, and there is a good chance that many of the questions you hear on the show are questions you may well have been asking in the past.
 

kepha31

Active Member
also, the church isn't against 'birth control' as long as it's 'natural'...

This objection can mean two different things. Sometimes it comes from someone who doesn’t see what’s wrong with contraception and so doesn’t see why he or she should bother with the ‘hassle’ of using NFP instead. Other times, however, the objection is that even NFP is immoral because it usurps a power that belongs to God alone.

Imagine two hypothetical couples, each with the same number of children, the same financial and material resources, the same psychological stresses and health concerns, each with a serious, selfless reason not to conceive another child.

One couple uses NFP to avoid pregnancy. The other uses contraception. Neither conceives. So what’s the difference? Why is one (the couple using NFP to avoid pregnancy) cooperating with God’s call to responsible parenthood and the other (the couple contracepting) engaged in something gravely immoral?


Well, suppose that I have a serious and morally good reason to lose weight, but that there is a gallon of double-super-fudge-chunk -brownie ice cream . . . with nuts . . . and marshmallows . . . in my freezer and I have already eaten a full dinner.

I may really want to eat that ice cream and I may know that the pleasure derived from the act of eating ice cream is a God-given good and something it is perfectly reasonable for me to desire, but the consequences of that act (40 gazillion calories) would not be a good thing for me at this particular time.


Recognizing that the consequences of eating a gallon of ice cream are not a part of God’s plan for me right now I have two choices. I could eat the ice cream and at the same time attempt to avoid the consequences of the act by interrupting the natural processes that lead from chewing to swallowing to digestion to the absorption of the calories that I ought to avoid and I could theoretically interrupt this process in a number of ways. I could chew the ice cream, but spit it into the sink instead of swallowing it. I could swallow the ice cream, but only after installing a physical barrier in my throat so that it would not reach my stomach to be digested. I could have myself hormonally or surgically altered so that I was no longer able to digest ice cream at all.


Or I could refrain from eating the ice cream until a time in the future when I no longer needed to avoid the consequences of doing so.

The result – the end - is the same in both cases, but clearly the means are not and the morality of any act is dependent on both the end and the means. And a difference in the means is the critical difference between contraception and NFP.

Some of the above ideas for avoiding the caloric consequences of ice cream eating are somewhat distasteful. It’s unnatural and a little weird to think about altering either the act of eating or our bodies so that the normal process of digestion is impeded. But that a married couple would ever feel that their bodies or the act designed by God to be the physical sign of their marriage vows (sexual intercourse) – the way in which those vows are supposed to ‘take flesh’ – should be altered so that its consequences of that act could be avoided, is a great deal more than unnatural or weird. It is tragic.

Christian marriage is a sacrament and sexual intercourse (the marital act) is the physical sign of that sacrament in the same way that the body and blood of Christ under the appearances of bread and wine are the physical signs of the Eucharist. Consider for a moment how shocking it would be to see someone receive the Eucharist and then avoid the consequences of the act by spitting out the host. Contraception should shock us no less.
By God’s design there is “an inseparable connection . . . which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act” (Humanae Vitae, 12). Also by God’s design, however, procreation is only possible during a relatively short time each menstrual cycle and during the infertile parts of each cycle a couple with serious reasons to avoid conceiving is free to experience the unitive aspect of the marital act – while still respecting the integrity of their bodies and the act itself – knowing that their procreative abilities are temporarily dormant.

And what about the objection that NFP is just as immoral as contraception because it does not allow God total control over the number and spacing of a couple’s children?

con't...
 

kepha31

Active Member
Ultimately God always has total control over every area of our lives, no matter what we do, simply because He is God and therefore omnipotent. If He chooses (as He once did) even a virgin can conceive and bear a child. But God has given each of us free will and thereby the choice to cooperate with His plan for us or not. Couples who use NFP in a morally correct manner do so in an attempt to cooperate with God’s plan for the number and spacing of their children – not restrict His authority over their families.


As any parent will tell you there is a great deal more to being a good Christian parent that just ‘popping ‘em out.’ The Church recognizes that the education and upbringing of each child is a tremendous responsibility and that there are limits – physical, material, psychological and social – to the number of children many couples can raise well. The Church, therefore, does not have any specific teaching on the ideal family size. All married couples are called to be both generous and responsible in their acceptance of children, but the exact number and spacing of those children is a matter for each couple to discern privately. Granted, in this day and age, the temptation to forgo generosity in favor of responsibility is usually stronger, but it is not somehow better to fail to be responsible in the use of our procreative powers than to fail to be generous.
Pope Paul VI clearly explained this need to cooperate with God’s dual call to generosity and responsibility in Humanae Vitae: “With regard to physical, economic, psychological and social conditions, responsible parenthood is exercised by those who prudently and generously decide to have more children, and by those who, for serious reasons and with due respect to moral precepts, decide not to have additional children for either a certain or an indefinite period of time.


Responsible parenthood, as we use the term here, has one further essential aspect of paramount importance. It concerns the objective moral order which was established by God, and of which a right conscience is the true interpreter. In a word, the exercise of responsible parenthood requires that husband and wife, keeping a right order of priorities, recognize their own duties toward God, themselves, their families and human society.

From this it follows that they are not free to act as they choose in the service of transmitting life, as if it were wholly up to them to decide what is the right course to follow. On the contrary, they are bound to ensure that what they do corresponds to the will of God the Creator. The very nature of marriage and its use makes His will clear, while the constant teaching of the Church spells it out”.

Here, too, ice cream provides a good analogy. The act of eating ice cream in and of itself is not immoral in the least. Humans are designed to enjoy sweets, even newborn babies strongly prefer sweet tasting liquids and human breast milk is remarkably sweet. But there are times when the good of enjoying dessert ought to be foregone for the sake of a greater good. If I am severely obese, have high cholesterol and have been warned repeatedly that I will almost certainly have a heart attack and be unable to care for my children if I do not modify my diet, to go ahead and eat as much ice cream as I desire whenever I desire is to fail to exercise the virtues of both prudence and temperance and is therefore morally wrong.
Likewise, if a couple has discerned through prayer, reflection and discussion that because they have a serious reason to avoid pregnancy it is not God’s desire for them to conceive again at present, then they are called to cooperate with God and use morally licit means (NFP) to avoid conceiving. In doing so they no more usurp God’s authority over their family than they do when they seek employment to provide income to meet their material needs rather than waiting for God to send them manna from heaven or educate their children rather than waiting for each of them to be divinely inspired.
from Envoy Magazine
 
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