-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
Should people believe the King James Version of the bible?
- Thread starter ProfLogic
- Start date
ProfLogic said:
James' inspiration was the rapid growth of literacy and the printing press. See, the good folks of his era had been sitting in church watching their preachers with their Bible in front of them for a long time. Then it became (relatively) cheap and easy to mass produce the written word and, at the same time, his subjects were learning to read. So, to make sure these folks got the exact message he wanted them to hear, James had his crew spend seven years reworking the Bible to his liking. Thus the "Authorized" version.
The real title should have been "The Bible According to King James."
Smoke
Done here.
I always love that "man's translation" dodge.ProfLogic said:
All the books we know of were written by humans, and all translations were made by humans; as far as we know, God doesn't write books or translate books.No, you shouldn't believe the KJV in its entirety. You shouldn't invest any book, person, or institution with infallibility. (Except me. As Ashley Brilliant says, "My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.")
However, you should definitely read the KJV, because even if it's not the best translation out there, it's better than most of the more popular ones, and is rendered in better English than any of them -- except for Monsignor Knox's translation.
FFH
Veteran Member
Yes, but there are some errors in the King James.Proflogic said:
Here is a link to the Joseph Smith inspired version of the Bible, in which the necessary corrections were made.
Inspired Bible
Yes, the KJV has been around awhile, and it is obvious that many words and phrases mean something different today, than in the Old English. Yet, for many of us who memorized verses using the KJV, and have read it often, it is good to turn to.
But, over the years, I have been taught how to verify the accuracy of any version, through the use of a concordance (Young's or Strong's), and other reference tools.
Since, all versions are translated from Greek manuscripts which are only copies of the originals, and these manuscripts, whether Alexandrian, Byzantine, or others, do vary somewhat between each other. But it is important to realize, that the differences are, for the most part, minor. And the important things, such as salvation by faith, judgements to come, etc., are in all of them.
One major difference between the KJV, and the host of other similar versions, and the more literal translations, such as The Emphasized Bible by Rotherham, Young's Literal Translation of the Bible, Wilson's Emphatic Diaglott, and The Concordant Version of the New Testament, is that the KJV, et al, inconsistently translate the Greek noun, "aion" (age, unknown time period), into many different words, way too many to list here. And the adjective, "aionios", (pertaining to an age or ages), is like wise is translated into many different words or phrases, generally meaning eternal, or everlasting.
Well, these are some of my thoughts. Bick
But, over the years, I have been taught how to verify the accuracy of any version, through the use of a concordance (Young's or Strong's), and other reference tools.
Since, all versions are translated from Greek manuscripts which are only copies of the originals, and these manuscripts, whether Alexandrian, Byzantine, or others, do vary somewhat between each other. But it is important to realize, that the differences are, for the most part, minor. And the important things, such as salvation by faith, judgements to come, etc., are in all of them.
One major difference between the KJV, and the host of other similar versions, and the more literal translations, such as The Emphasized Bible by Rotherham, Young's Literal Translation of the Bible, Wilson's Emphatic Diaglott, and The Concordant Version of the New Testament, is that the KJV, et al, inconsistently translate the Greek noun, "aion" (age, unknown time period), into many different words, way too many to list here. And the adjective, "aionios", (pertaining to an age or ages), is like wise is translated into many different words or phrases, generally meaning eternal, or everlasting.
Well, these are some of my thoughts. Bick
Deut 13:1
Well-Known Member
Here's a better question, of the people who posted, who is qualified to say which version is better translated????????
Other then which meshes with your personal beliefs, no one here knows anything about hebrew/greek. So on what basis, other then your own un-educated beliefs, what do you base your analsysis that the KJV is better then the NIV or even the Mormon Bible. Be honest, can you tell me what bereishis means without looking it up.
Other then which meshes with your personal beliefs, no one here knows anything about hebrew/greek. So on what basis, other then your own un-educated beliefs, what do you base your analsysis that the KJV is better then the NIV or even the Mormon Bible. Be honest, can you tell me what bereishis means without looking it up.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
People have never stopped rewriting the Bible.
Later scollars always think they can do a better Job.
Much truth can be found in all Bibles
King James version gives me the greatest pleasure.
No bible is the literal and whole truth.
Later scollars always think they can do a better Job.
Much truth can be found in all Bibles
King James version gives me the greatest pleasure.
No bible is the literal and whole truth.
Booko
Deviled Hen
Interepretation of *any* text comes from a relationship between the reader and the text. Having the text in the original is no guarantee of a proper hermeneutic.ProfLogic said:
You seem to have an approach that is treating texts as if they were, say, laws of physics. A text cannot be proven right or wrong in the way, say, the laws of gravity can.
If you keep using a screwdriver to hammer in a nail, it's no wonder you keep coming up with wacky results, not to mention shoddy reasoning.
If you want to examine a text, then you use the tools of Language Arts and history -- not science. Logic and empiricism are useful epistemological tools, but in areas of life like this, they are often of limited use.
Fedora Heightrout
Member
I'd like to know what you two have against the NIV as well. I've compared a number of passages from the NIV, KJV, RSV, and a couple of French translations, and they all seem to be saying essentially the same things. (In the ones I've compared.)
ChrissiAnn
New Member
If one chooses to believe in ANY religion, one really should delve into and UNDERSTAND what he/she is actually believing.
The bible itself is a collection of many ancient writings of nearly 2,000 years worth from various different authors. Just like Islam, Judaism (and hence Christianity) originated in the Middle East. Thus, you are likely to find a lot of barbarism in both Judeochristianity and Islam. Notice in the Bible how God orders and ordains genocide. He also orders the brutal killing of not only innocent animals (cows, goats, doves), such as slitting their throats, pouring blood all over the place, but also advocates twisting their heads off and killing other humans as well. This sounds quite Satanic.
But again, realize how Middle Eastern relgions are rife with slaughter, blood and gore, including the Quran and Bible.
But just as Judeochristians believe that the entire Bible is the "word of god," so do the Muslims believe that the Quran is the "word of god." Ahh, some conflict here. Both the Bible and the Quran state that they're each the unadulturated word of god, though both contain contradictions and inaccuracies when compared to cold hard facts.
But one thing I would like for people to consider is that when you study the Bible and Jewish history, realize that the Hebrew who were coming up with the creation stories believed that their "world" WAS that section of the middle east. They believed they lived in what looked like a snow globe. The Bible describes the firmament as a "scroll" with stars stuck in it. There are gates that open in the firmament to allow water to flow in as rain. (We now know these are "clouds" that rain water, and not floodgates or window to heaven.)
They believed that the stars were stuck in this firmament, and that the firmament could be rolled back as a scroll and you could see God sitting there.
In revelation, there is mention of the "stars falling to earth" and people screaming. The fact that stars are falling to earth signifies that the plastic portion of the snow globe is releasing its stars in preparation of the plastic to scroll back so that they could see God and Jesus sitting up there. Keep in mind that if only ONE star hit earth, there would be no one left to holler. Back then, they did not realize that stars are actually huge fireballs, but were just small twinkles stuck in the clear plastic of the snow globe.
Also, it amazes me that people still believe the "tower of Babel" story. They were trying to build a tall tower to reach God, so God got nervous and struck them down. We now know that when people climb Mount Everest, they die from lack of oxygen unless they have oxgen tanks, and even then people still die. Thus, God would have nothing to worry about. Besides, since then, we now can leave earth and fly into space. There is no plastic firmament there, and when astronauts are in space, there is not God or Jesus to see. This is something they did not realize when they were writing the Bible over nearly 2,000 years.
They truly believe they lived on a flat earth with a snow globe firmament. We didn't know the earth was round until 1492, which was way after the Bible scrolls were penned.
The bible itself is a collection of many ancient writings of nearly 2,000 years worth from various different authors. Just like Islam, Judaism (and hence Christianity) originated in the Middle East. Thus, you are likely to find a lot of barbarism in both Judeochristianity and Islam. Notice in the Bible how God orders and ordains genocide. He also orders the brutal killing of not only innocent animals (cows, goats, doves), such as slitting their throats, pouring blood all over the place, but also advocates twisting their heads off and killing other humans as well. This sounds quite Satanic.
But again, realize how Middle Eastern relgions are rife with slaughter, blood and gore, including the Quran and Bible.
But just as Judeochristians believe that the entire Bible is the "word of god," so do the Muslims believe that the Quran is the "word of god." Ahh, some conflict here. Both the Bible and the Quran state that they're each the unadulturated word of god, though both contain contradictions and inaccuracies when compared to cold hard facts.
But one thing I would like for people to consider is that when you study the Bible and Jewish history, realize that the Hebrew who were coming up with the creation stories believed that their "world" WAS that section of the middle east. They believed they lived in what looked like a snow globe. The Bible describes the firmament as a "scroll" with stars stuck in it. There are gates that open in the firmament to allow water to flow in as rain. (We now know these are "clouds" that rain water, and not floodgates or window to heaven.)
They believed that the stars were stuck in this firmament, and that the firmament could be rolled back as a scroll and you could see God sitting there.
In revelation, there is mention of the "stars falling to earth" and people screaming. The fact that stars are falling to earth signifies that the plastic portion of the snow globe is releasing its stars in preparation of the plastic to scroll back so that they could see God and Jesus sitting up there. Keep in mind that if only ONE star hit earth, there would be no one left to holler. Back then, they did not realize that stars are actually huge fireballs, but were just small twinkles stuck in the clear plastic of the snow globe.
Also, it amazes me that people still believe the "tower of Babel" story. They were trying to build a tall tower to reach God, so God got nervous and struck them down. We now know that when people climb Mount Everest, they die from lack of oxygen unless they have oxgen tanks, and even then people still die. Thus, God would have nothing to worry about. Besides, since then, we now can leave earth and fly into space. There is no plastic firmament there, and when astronauts are in space, there is not God or Jesus to see. This is something they did not realize when they were writing the Bible over nearly 2,000 years.
They truly believe they lived on a flat earth with a snow globe firmament. We didn't know the earth was round until 1492, which was way after the Bible scrolls were penned.