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Self appointed Apostle Paul Vs Yashu'a teaching
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" he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings," -Acts 9
Self-appointed?
Self-appointed?
Saul , Shaool , Paul, ( Never ) was a Disciple of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ! How do I know ? According to Saul , Shaool , Paul , Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus chose him as his instrument for carrying his teaching to The Gentiles who were not of the House of Israel . ( Acts 9 ; 15 - 16 ) . Saul , Shaool , Paul acclaimed vision is the only evidence Saul , Shaool , Paul could produce for his bid for the leadership of The New Church Saul , Shaool , Paul , would raise , No wonder the jews were highly skeptical about the whole claim and would not listen to him . Let's take a look in The Bible where Saul , Shaool , Paul contradicts himself three times . This is the behavior of a liar . A liar have to repeat his lie Two or more Times with each version differing from the next until he ultimately prove himself a Liar . He eventually reveals the truth he was trying to hide all along .
Contradiction One ; ~ Act 9 - 4 - 7 , And I Quote ; And he fell down on that planet earth and heard a voice saying to him , Saul why did you persceute me and he said who are you master ; And the master said I am Yashu'a whom you persecuted it is hard for you to kick against the point . And he trembling and astonished said the master what will you have me to do ? And the master said to him arise and go into the city and it shall be told to you what you must do . And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless hearing a voice but seen no man .
In the above quote , Saul , Shaool , Paul says that ( He Alone Fell To The Ground ( Earth ) and then he proceeds to say that the men who journeyed with him stood speechless , Hearing a voice , ( But Seeing No Man ) . We see in Acts 22 ; 7 - 9 that Saul , Shaool , Paul was about to be killed by the people of the city of caesarea for preaching to the jews amongst the gentiles that they should forsake Moses and not circumcise their children or follow their custom . Saul , Shaool , Paul was saved by the soldiers and centurions who took him to the castle unto the chief priest and there Saul , Shaool , Paul says ...
Contradiction Two ; ~ Acts 22 ; 7 - 9 , And I Quote ; And I fell onto the ground and heard a voice saying to me Saul Saul why are you persecuting me ? And I answer who are you Master and he said to me , I'am Jesus of Nazareth whom you persecute . And they that were with me saw surely the force of light , . And were afraid but did not hear the voice of him that spoke to me .
Now , In this quote Paul says ( He Alone Fell To The Ground ) . He proceeds to say that the men who were with him , ( Saw The Light ) , But heard not the voice of him who spoke . But he had just said in Acts 9 ; 4 - 7 . '' ( Those who journeyed with him , Heard a voice . But saw not a man ) !
We now go to Acts 26 ; 13 - 14 , To find the third contradiction . At this point , Paul is defending himself before King Agrippa ;
Contradiction Three ; Acts 26 ; 13-14 , And I Quote ; At midday O ruler I saw in the way a force of light from the sky above the brightness of the halo shining around me and them which were traveling with me . And when we were all falled down on that part of the planet earth I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in a Hebrew Dialect Saul , Saul , Why did you persceute me ? It's hard for you to kick against the sticks .
After we listen to Paul's Contradictions , It make it very difficult to Believe that Paul ever had a vision . Paul is a liar and his own words confirm it !! Romans 3 ; 7 .
Having the behavior of A Liar , As usual , Paul continued to prove himself A Liar . In none of the other quotes had he said that Jesus ( Spoke To Him In The Hebrew Tongue ! However , In the following quote , ( Acts 26 ; 16 ) , Paul says that Jesus appeared to him to make him a Minister . Is this why Paul though he was supposed to be a disciple .
Acts 26 ; 14 - 16 , And I Quote ; And when we were all fallen down on that part of the planet earth I heard a voice speaking to me and and saying in a Hebrew Dialect Saul Saul why did you persecute me ? It's hard for you to kick against the sticks . And I said who are you master and he said I am Jesus whom you persceute , But rise and stand up upon your feet for I have appeared to you for this purpose to make you a servant and a witnessboth of these things which you have seen and of those things which I will make appear for you .
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
First, I would like to point out that Acts was not written by Paul and this has problems. In order to do a credible study on Paul, his genuine letters must be observed.
Paul does state that he followed the Law. Never does he tell Jews not to follow it, nor does he ever state that he stopped following it.
With all do respect letters are not scriptures , The letter you speak of were sent to diffrent churchs . What laws did Paul follow according to the Bible ?
Union jack
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By the scripture Paul was not self appointed.
I think a bigger question would be what entitled Luke to write a Gospel other than being Saul's greatest fan.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Is not the Bible considered scripture? If so, then the letters that I speak of are in fact scripture. At least they are held to be scripture, and have been, by a vast majority of Christianity.
As for what Laws did Paul follow according to the Bible; in Philippians, Paul states that he followed the Law, as a whole. Acts also states that Paul was a Pharisee, which implies that he followed the Law as laid down in the Torah. There was no reason for Paul, nor other authors to list the Laws in which Paul followed as him being a Pharisee implies that he was a follower of the Torah, and the Law.
The Gospel according to Luke 1 ; 1- 4 , Where It States ; Forasmuch as many have taken in hand ( To Set Forth In Order ) a declaration of those things ( Which Are Most Surely Believed ) among us . Verse 2 . Even as they delivered them unto us , which from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ( Ministers ) of the ( Word ) . Verse 3 . It seemed good to me also having had perfect understanding of all things ( From The Very First ) to write unto thee in order most excellent Theophilus . Verse 4 . That thou mightest know the certainty of those things wherein thou hast been instructed < King James ( Hebrew - Greek ) Word Study Bible .
According to the above verse Luke was doing his own thing , He wasn't call by call either ..
According to scriptures he wasn't call by God nor Yashu'a !
Union jack
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But according to Acts 5 & 6 in the scriptures Paul was directed by the Lord.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Road to Damascus ring any bells?
Without all the ''Hadiyth'' meaning words of men and not of God , According to the Scriptures meaning Chapter and Verse what Laws did Paul follow ??
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Refer to post # 3 for your answer !!
Refer to post # 3 for you answer ok thankyou !
And Luke wrote Acts......AND........was not on the road with Saul........So basically Luke wrote what Paul told him to write.......Right?
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
I think you missed what I was saying. If you want to have a discussion, you must open yourself a bit.
Acts 24:14 states that Paul believes everything in the books of the Law (Torah), and the Prophets.
Romans (which Paul wrote) 7:25, states that he followed the Law.
Romans 2:21 says that those who break the Law dishonor God
Philippians 3:6 states that Paul was blameless according to the Law, which meant that Paul followed it totally.
Also, scripture says that Paul was called by God, and Jesus. Galatians 2:12 states that he received his message from Jesus. Galatians 2:15 states that God had set him apart, and gave him a calling.
Acts 9:1-15 states that Jesus sent Paul to preach to the Gentiles.
Acts 26:15 makes this even more clear, that Jesus called upon Paul.
I didn't miss anything When your right I'll agree when your wrong I Wont .
Let's try this again shall we , According to the laws of Moses which Yashu'a himself follow , What laws did paul Follow chapter and verse ok
Luke nor Paul got their calling from God so it dosen't matter !