Scientists (or Historians) specialists in their fields might be quacks in Religion?

[cambridge79]

Does Quran claim to be a text book of science? No, it never claimed as such.
It is Recitation to guide humans in ethical, moral and spiritual domains, one should keep it in mind. Right? Please
Regards

Moral? Dont make me laugh. Remind me what the Quran prescribes for those Muslims who decide to leave islam.

 

[gnostic]

Moral? Dont make me laugh. Remind me what the Quran prescribes for those Muslims who decide to leave islam.

No, cambridge79.

I am willing to give paarsurrey that.

The Qur'an is actually not only Muhammad's version of the bible stories, but also about introducing the Arabs of time, guidelines, morals and law.

But it is about the morals and ethics (and law) of the 7th century.

Morals have changed over time, and we may think that the Qur'an is outdated and all, but it (Qur'an) does present rules of conduct for the Muslims in general, even if we (non-Muslims) don't agree with them today.

Moses trying to bring set of laws and rules that the Israelites to follow, in his Torah. Jesus tried to teach those of his time, by using parables. And Muhammad tried to teach to his followers, and by setting himself as an example of what Muhammad should or should not do.

We may agree with or disagree with each one of them, but the Jewish, Christian and Muslim scriptures should be looked and weighed in the time they were written.

I don't think we can projected modern morals and ethics on ancient ones...well, at least, if we do so, we need to understand that they don't have our knowledge.

What I mean is that we cannot expect Moses, Jesus or Muhammad to know anything about basic human rights of the 20th and 21st century. We must understand the time constraints of what they know, at the times of their lives, and don't expect them to know what our expectations are.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

... religious matters have no value.

It's all about context.

 

[cambridge79]

No, cambridge79.

I am willing to give paarsurrey that.

The Qur'an is actually not only Muhammad's version of the bible stories, but also about introducing the Arabs of time, guidelines, morals and law.

But it is about the morals and ethics (and law) of the 7th century.

Morals have changed over time, and we may think that the Qur'an is outdated and all, but it (Qur'an) does present rules of conduct for the Muslims in general, even if we (non-Muslims) don't agree with them today.

Moses trying to bring set of laws and rules that the Israelites to follow, in his Torah. Jesus tried to teach those of his time, by using parables. And Muhammad tried to teach to his followers, and by setting himself as an example of what Muhammad should or should not do.

We may agree with or disagree with each one of them, but the Jewish, Christian and Muslim scriptures should be looked and weighed in the time they were written.

I don't think we can projected modern morals and ethics on ancient ones...well, at least, if we do so, we need to understand that they don't have our knowledge.

What I mean is that we cannot expect Moses, Jesus or Muhammad to know anything about basic human rights of the 20th and 21st century. We must understand the time constraints of what they know, at the times of their lives, and don't expect them to know what our expectations are.

Yes this makes sense for me and you cause we see it from the historical perspective but muslims actually think that 7th century morals should be applied today cause Quran is so special, contains no wrong and is universally valid cause is god inspired. Differences inside the Muslim world are concerning the degree at witch such codes should be Applied not if they should or should not be discarded as a thing of the past. Let's see what paarsurey tell us should happen today to a Muslim that wants to leave islam and tells allah and the prophet are all nonsense. ( if he bless me with his reply considering he totally ignored my previous point simply cause it totally demolished his point )

 

[paarsurrey]

Moral? Dont make me laugh. Remind me what the Quran prescribes for those Muslims who decide to leave islam.

Please quote from Quran, with the verses in the context, five preceding and five following, to prove your point.
Regards

 

[gnostic]

Yes this makes sense for me and you cause we see it from the historical perspective but muslims actually think that 7th century morals should be applied today cause Quran is so special, contains no wrong and is universally valid cause is god inspired.

The same could be said on just about every ancient religions that are still followed, today.

Each religion, especially those mainstream religions and sects, all think their religions are the right ones, therefore their are the right ones for everyone. Each one think his religion was inspired by a god.

My problems are not the Muslims of yesteryear, but those ones of today.

Sure, Muhammad wouldn't be my first choice as a role model for peace and moral, considering what his life was like. But Muhammad, as were all others, were living in different times than our. So they need to be looked at from that perspective.

 

[gnostic]

Let's see what paarsurey tell us should happen today to a Muslim that wants to leave islam and tells allah and the prophet are all nonsense. ( if he bless me with his reply considering he totally ignored my previous point simply cause it totally demolished his point )

I don't think paarsurrey is the best person to tell us what Islam is really is today, or had being in the past.

Quite frankly, we both don't get along at all. My main problem is with him, is that he has become increasingly evasive. If you want honest and open discussion or debate, perhaps it is best to avoid him.

And while I think the Ahmadiyya being one of the few more peaceful sect, I don't think paarsurrey is best Ahmadi representative or spokeperson.