Scientific Pantheism?

[The Sum of Awe]

We are all just separated matter from a spherical ball of matter that scientists call the Singularity, in other words our universe before it has expanded. Before the expansion, everything in the universe made up the Singularity, it was all compiled together.

So, even scientifically speaking, aren't we all one and the same?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

We are all just separated matter from a spherical ball of matter that scientists call the Singularity, in other words our universe before it has expanded. Before the expansion, everything in the universe made up the Singularity, it was all compiled together.

So, even scientifically speaking, aren't we all one and the same?

I don't see why you would need to trace it back to the singularity in order to say that. We're all made of molecules, which are made of atoms, which are made of quarks, which (eventually) are ultimately just vibrations of strings. We're made of the same stuff. Doesn't make us the same thing. Water and acid are both made of strings, but that doesn't mean acid is water.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I don't see why you would need to trace it back to the singularity in order to say that. We're all made of molecules, which are made of atoms, which are made of quarks, which (eventually) are ultimately just vibrations of strings. We're made of the same stuff. Doesn't make us the same thing. Water and acid are both made of strings, but that doesn't mean acid is water.

But the same stuff we are made out of was at once all in one.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

But the same stuff we are made out of was at once all in one.

Keyword there: "was". You can create hydrochloric acid and sodium hydroxide (both really bad to touch, let alone drink) from saltwater. Doesn't make either of them saltwater.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

But the same stuff we are made out of was at once all in one.

Therefore?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Therefore?

What my OP states

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Keyword there: "was". You can create hydrochloric acid and sodium hydroxide (both really bad to touch, let alone drink) from saltwater. Doesn't make either of them saltwater.

But you cannot create their matter.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

But you cannot create their matter.

...you don't seem to be understanding me. Yes, everything is made up of the same stuff, but that doesn't mean everything is the same. Bombs are not hospitals. Dogs are not plants. Light is not a shoe.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

...you don't seem to be understanding me. Yes, everything is made up of the same stuff, but that doesn't mean everything is the same. Bombs are not hospitals. Dogs are not plants. Light is not a shoe.

They are made of the same matter and energy though. Basically, everything is made of matter that was bunched up into one big thing before they expanded and separated.

Yes, they are different now, but alltogether we are the same if you consider breaking playdough into more pieces and considering it the same thing.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

They are made of the same matter and energy though. Basically, everything is made of matter that was bunched up into one big thing before they expanded and separated.

Yes, they are different now, but all together we are the same if you consider breaking playdough into more pieces and considering it the same thing.

If playdough suddenly became poisonous in varying combinations, sure...

 

[The Sum of Awe]

If playdough suddenly became poisonous in varying combinations, sure...

Still from the same source.


But in this world, even if something becomes poisonous in varying combinations the poison still was matter from the universe, so for playdough it'd just be like adding more playdough on it.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

But the same stuff we are made out of was at once all in one.

Therefore?

What my OP states

Your OP asks: "So, even scientifically speaking, aren't we all one and the same? " How does the fact that

the same stuff we are made out of was at once all in one​

support the assertion that we are all one in the same? (... unless, of course, you dilute themeaning of the word 'same' to the point that it is rendered entirely useless.)

 

[SageTree]

I think you're hoping to address the interconnectedness of compounded matter or something like that?

IE: A piece of paper is more than just a tree, because a tree is more than just plant matter etc etc etc....

Is that fair to presume?


SOA- I don't know if your conclusions are always riddled with facts, but they sure do get us all talking about any contained there in. I'm glad you are here.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Emergence is a fascinating concept/paradigm.

 

[SageTree]

Emergencies aren't always though