Science or Religion?

[Fallen Prophet]

And what about the bad things that have the potential to degrade Man, what or who inspires that?

That would be our Fallen nature - along with any influence we give to evil spirits.

When God placed Man in the Garden He planted the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Man is capable of both Good and Evil because of the freedom that God has given them.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Nope, I am dead serious. How do you think that I am "being silly'?

You seem to be making claims but are unwilling to support them. That does not bode well.

This discussion is not only about God. Did you not see the title of the thread? And this is an open forum. There is no "interrupting'. Private conversations are had using the PM function. Open ones where anyone can join in are in areas like this.

There is also the option of using a DIR which can limit it to a specific religious group. I would be just as justified in arguing that you do not belong here. But I know why that would be wrong.

Now you have made quite a few rather obviously false claims about me. Asking serious questions is not "being silly". You might want to remember that.

You are an atheist, I get it, you do not believe in God. I am not an atheist, and therefore use religious terms frequently in my posts. If an atheist persistently demands proof of God every time I use the term, than the result would be that every thread on this forum would end up with a demand for proof of God. Go and look at other threads of this Forum and find someone who uses the word God and bug them, you are getting boring here.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

That would be our Fallen nature - along with any influence we give to evil spirits.

When God placed Man in the Garden He planted the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Man is capable of both Good and Evil because of the freedom that God has given them.

Exactly, and I suggest that medical science can also be influenced by evil spirits.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are an atheist, I get it, you do not believe in God. I am not an atheist, and therefore use religious terms frequently in my posts. If an atheist persistently demands proof of God every time I use the term, than the result would be that every thread on this forum would end up with a demand for proof of God. Go and look at other threads of this Forum and find someone who uses the word God and bug them, you are getting boring here.

There is a time for religious terminology and a time for scientific terminology. Mixing the two is usually a disaster. And I think of the points of this thread is that one does not have to believe the refuted myths of Genesis to be a Christian.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Exactly, and I suggest that medical science can also be influenced by evil spirits.

Sure - but I was referencing breakthroughs - not all medical science.

I see no reason to believe that the vaccine is the product of evil spirits though.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

There is a time for religious terminology and a time for scientific terminology. Mixing the two is usually a disaster. And I think of the points of this thread is that one does not have to believe the refuted myths of Genesis to be a Christian.

This Forum is titled Science and Religion, you can do on every thread what you are doing here, demand the believers to provide proof of God to you. Now until you can prove there is no God, please allow a reasonable discussion to take place.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Sure - but I was referencing breakthroughs - not all medical science.

I see no reason to believe that the vaccine is the product of evil spirits though.

Well it certainly is not perfect and has killed some people, and the origins of covid itself are somewhat shady, there is more to be told, possible dark spirits involved.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

This Forum is titled Science and Religion, you can do on every thread what you are doing here, demand the believers to provide proof of God to you. Now until you can prove there is no God, please allow a reasonable discussion to take place.

Who are you talking to?

 

[Subduction Zone]

This Forum is titled Science and Religion, you can do on every thread what you are doing here, demand the believers to provide proof of God to you. Now until you can prove there is no God, please allow a reasonable discussion to take place.

Where did I demand "Proof of God"? I only pointed out a bogus term.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Well it certainly is not perfect and has killed some people, and the origins of covid itself are somewhat shady, there is more to be told, possible dark spirits involved.

Nothing is perfect. Having the vaccine does not prevent you from contracting the virus but it will mitigate its effects.

COVID was made in a lab in China and illegally funded by the NIH. All kinds of evil spirit associated.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Who are you talking to?

See the Subduction Zone quote it refers to on my post #126

 

[Subduction Zone]

This Forum is titled Science and Religion, you can do on every thread what you are doing here, demand the believers to provide proof of God to you. Now until you can prove there is no God, please allow a reasonable discussion to take place.

Once again atheists need not disprove God. Talk about "being silly". And I was participating in the conversation. You may be uncomfortable because I can show how you are not being reasonable.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nothing is perfect. Having the vaccine does not prevent you from contracting the virus but it will mitigate its effects.

COVID was made in a lab in China and illegally funded by the NIH. All kinds of evil spirit associated.

Right on the first, but evidence is sorely lacking for the second. From what I have heard from experts in the field is that evidence for that belief is lacking.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Where did I demand "Proof of God"? I only pointed out a bogus term.

You said back thread " Show me some reliable evidence, some scientific evidence, for a creator behind evolution and I will change my mind."

Now I understand a 'creator', you mean God, for that is just another name for God. If you as an atheist do not believe in a creator, then it follows that any creative influence in evolution will be rejected.

Prove to me that you are not loved by God?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You said back thread " Show me some reliable evidence, some scientific evidence, for a creator behind evolution and I will change my mind."

Now I understand a 'creator', you mean God, for that is just another name for God. If you as an atheist do not believe in a creator, then it follows that any creative influence in evolution will be rejected.

Prove to me that you are not loved by God?

It is a bad assumption to think that God could not have used evolution without stepping in. So asking for evidence for something creating life is not asking for evidence of God. You are claiming that God did something. You should be able to support that claim with evidence.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It is a bad assumption to think that God could not have used evolution without stepping in. So asking for evidence for something creating life is not asking for evidence of God. You are claiming that God did something. You should be able to support that claim with evidence.

I am claiming God loves you, can't you feel it?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am claiming God loves you, can't you feel it?

Nope. If I claim that he farts the rainbow can you smell it?


Pointless questions do not help a discussion. But just for your information I do not try to disprove God, but I will try to disprove specific versions of God. Do you understand the difference?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Nope. If I claim that he farts the rainbow can you smell it?


Pointless questions do not help a discussion. But just for your information I do not try to disprove God, but I will try to disprove specific versions of God. Do you understand the difference?

I only understand that God loves you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I only understand that God loves you.

Well, you believe that he does.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Well, you believe that he does.

Moe than belief, it is how creative evolution works, you will one day be touched deeply by His love and know that there were things you were unaware of in your younger days as an atheist.