rational experiences
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Why then do you claim his message was important for humanity. Seeing we lived as natural humans in natural creation?
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Science or Religion?
- Thread starter Ben Dhyan
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We are spiritual beings in a matrix designed for our development.
The Messenger is our guide to that spiritual development, the apex of knowledge and the entire purpose of our material being.
Regards Tony
rational experiences
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If a human not the preceding advice is revisited in their own life expressing similarities. Then isn't that human then persuading other humans their advice precedes as it was experienced by them too?
To claim a human spiritual status that living preceding life they never owned nor experienced?
You had to be Christian in those days or you would've been burnt to the stake or hanged.
Sorry not quite understanding what you offered there.
The only pre-existing being is the Manifestation of God. They are born of the Holy Spirit and they renew our possibilities in every age. We are given a soul at conception which is the Human Spirit and this Spirit need to find a connection to the Holy Spirit using the Spirit of Faith.
Jesus the Christ offered this as being born again.
Regards Tony
rational experiences
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Rationally you are born a man baby by chosen human parent sex.
The life that naturally precedes your own two humans.
Gods heavens it's spirits can change.
Jesus human man previous DNA genesis healed versus maths science temple pyramid status.
Proved if you apply the sin of man the nuclear occult sciences life gets sacrificed.
You purposely document prophetic data.
Humans taught time revised to listed to Jesus.
Rome burns. Humans in Rome then accept Jesus teachings.
Said no longer 0 zero count historic.
1000 years later burning star arrives instead of cold gas star. Attacks life life however was once again saved. Baha'i teaching elaborated on scientific evidence life was sacrificed.
Healer medical genesis advice biology science. Medical is the science of human faith.
Life is given at conception with the connection of the soul.
Without a soul, there is no body, when the soul departs the body is dead.
The eternal spirit of the Messenger does not change, but does create change and in this world all things are subject to change.
Regards Tony
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Science and religion are asking entirely different questions. Science wants to understand the natural, and physical reality and how it behaves. Religion wants to find meaning and purpose in existence, and answer ultimate questions.
Religion would be better off by admitting what it truly doesn't know. Religion would also be better off if they consulted science and had an amendable process of inquiry. If religion was a process of inquiry and investigation it would get a lot further. As it is religion needs an overhaul because it relies heavily on mythology as history, it also has dogmatic doctrines that are out of touch with reality.
Religion also has valid teachings, philosophies, and methodologies. Religion should be more of a journey then a destination.
Science seems to be the end all be all for hard core physicalists, and materialists.
Those who recognize that religion is on to something vitally important should never give up on seeking and questioning reality.
The biggest lesson is in knowing that whether you are a theist, or atheist life is all about the quality and worth of living, and living the best life possible without condemning people that choose to live differently and do no harm or damage to others.
Doom religions, and religions that make outcasts of people on the basis of their inferior moralities give religion a bad name.
I don't see why future religions, and some old religions and science can't exist separately in their separate domains in peace and without hate.
Religion would be better off by admitting what it truly doesn't know. Religion would also be better off if they consulted science and had an amendable process of inquiry. If religion was a process of inquiry and investigation it would get a lot further. As it is religion needs an overhaul because it relies heavily on mythology as history, it also has dogmatic doctrines that are out of touch with reality.
Religion also has valid teachings, philosophies, and methodologies. Religion should be more of a journey then a destination.
Science seems to be the end all be all for hard core physicalists, and materialists.
Those who recognize that religion is on to something vitally important should never give up on seeking and questioning reality.
The biggest lesson is in knowing that whether you are a theist, or atheist life is all about the quality and worth of living, and living the best life possible without condemning people that choose to live differently and do no harm or damage to others.
Doom religions, and religions that make outcasts of people on the basis of their inferior moralities give religion a bad name.
I don't see why future religions, and some old religions and science can't exist separately in their separate domains in peace and without hate.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Religion really just means to Rebond, as Yoga means Unite, as Islam means Submit.
While it is true there is much study of the relevant religious scripture, but the actual goal of religion is not of this physical world, but to become one with God in spirit.
Not that most of the human religious institutions actually do that, they are still concerned with this world, how many converts, how many donations, etc.. As Jesus taught, you can not serve two masters without serving one second best. The ideal place for religious practice is in solitude.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Knowledge said man sought evil. Quite simply stated.
Evil was maths science as he said minus. Only burning owned to minus.
Holy God from eternal was unnaturally minused into consuming the lesson no man is God.
You copied it by cosmic thesis then the same occurred to man.
Man proved consciously he never learnt his lesson. He has not healed. His motivation is to coerce that science is spirituality.
The theme men in science temple sacrificed life.
One thousand years later natural returned as he notification same sacrifice of life Baha'i teaching proving natural did it in the end.
Science never owned nor controlled God. Yet would argue I live within gods realms. With no respect however to natural.
Men claimed control of God powers God proved man wrong.
Pretty basic self idolisation science thesis advice.
How you respond when told no human man was special the proof. Even when the man said I was only teaching a lesson for everyone including my own self in the detailing as just a human.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
In conscious human awareness the eternal is in its owned place sitting next to but not joined to gods heavens. It never ever will change its self condition. It always was the eternal.
We no longer own it our parents with all other pre formed spirit bodies left it.
The teaching said why || two different bodies next to each other changed vibrations. Forcing spirit to cross out of the eternal into ground zero.
Ground zero was filled in emptied out space plane. Heavens is thinner higher up in space.
Moving into earths heavens the spirit bodies transformed into being.
The God soul movement of spirit heavens gas with water is on the face of the great deep flows spiralling O motion. Is natural. G the spiral O natural flow D D back to OO effect.
It did change why life sacrifice occurred. As Christ is our supported spirit for conscious awareness why before Christ was a proven fallacy taught.
The teaching science of man lied.
The spirit was never conceived it always existed.
Human conception our lives since babies as human were never our parents life we are conceived is by sex.
God in the heavens is not ours it keeps life safe and protected.
Men with ego problems read Jesus text claiming it was special that gods heavens cooled and gave life cell healing back to DNA genesis mother humans ovaries.
Ie hovah. The ova ovum ovary. Gods spirits holy water Christ ox generation oxygen healed the mother's womb immaculately. A different God immaculate teaching.
Water was forced back down to the ground as saviour gases remassed presence.
Immaculate is first O earths only origin God's heaven. Sacrificed by the sun into natural light.
After science temple pyramid irradiated life cell DNA natural cooling owning a non science practice returned human life genesis in healing.
The medical science teaching.
Peter Stanley
Member
Its both Religion deals with the spiritual and after life science is the understanding of the environment we live in by man. The bible doesn't answer science questions its not its purpose just as science doesn't answer religious questions. God gave us a brain to pursue and understand our environment and there have been many gains from it in technology and medicine just look around the room your in all thanks to science or you would still be living in a cave. The problem is science seems to indicate evolution and not creation and that the universe is massive and we are a minute existence in it and irrelevant - religion teaches we are the center of all things and reason for everything. That is where the problem lies. Its either the the literal interpretation of the bible in genesis or 13 billion years of an evolving universe. The evidence seems to indicate God took 13 billion years and we are not likely the only life in the universe.
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
13 billion years of creative evolution, please.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
What the heck is "creative evolution"?
There is a lot written on this in the Baha'i Writings and you are correct if you are suggesting eveloution has been a progressive part of God's plan.
The creation story in Genesis is indeed a highly symbolic Metephor and not a literal account, especially the story of Adam and Eve that is a Metephor for the Human Species (Adam) and the given Soul/Spirit (Eve).
Regards Tony
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
You can't work it out for yourself?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
It sounds like a bogus term. Can you support it?
Fallen Prophet
Well-Known Member
Why can't it be both? I don't see one opposing the other.