Scenarios: is it possible to walk both the LHP and the RHP at the same time?

[crossfire]

If you are maintaining your own mind, it is LHP. (or at least Western LHP)

What do you mean by this?

If your mind is overcome by desires (either your own or someone else's) to the point that you can't think clearly, are you doing your own will? How can My Will be done fit if your mind is not being maintained? (I include installing skillful habits to fall back on when you are unmindful as part of maintaining ones mind.)

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I was curious about this myself. I'm largely a fan of the Setian philosophy of Xeper (I don't take it nearly as literally as some apparently do) as well as the individual freethinking that's typical of the Left Hand Path, at the same time I feel like this is what God wants me to do and there's no avoiding the will of God because everything is God's will.

 

[Sutekh]

For the purpose of this thread:

RHP = Joining with "The All" (objectively and/or subjectively)
LHP = Maintaining subjective separation from "The All"

Is it possible to walk both paths at once? Post some scenarios where this is possible, please.

Don't know if this would be considered a scenario of what I am writing. But before I get to that, this question was mentioned in one of Thomas Leroy's interviews in which I agree on what Thom had to say on the impossibility of trying to walk both paths. The Left Hand Path is the harder path and the Right Hand Path is the easiest path for the herd. If you tried to Subjectively separate yourself from the "The All" but instead Objectively choose to join with "The All" than their is a contradiction in my opinion. From a western Left Hand Path perspective, if you are willing to go on the Left Hand Path, then that means you must make that decision to separate yourself both Subjectively and Objectively from the "All." It is simply that decision you choose to make, no one isn't saying to the individual on what he must do within the Left Hand Path. It is simply up to him if he feels he's ready to walk it.

By trying to walk both Paths, the Right Hand Path will simply pull one on the Right Hand Path by overpowering the Left Hand Path. Similarly to how LeRoy put it in words.

 

[Cosmos-intérieur]

I do not agree with you when you say that deification is incompatible with union with all. in forms of Christian orthodoxy it is even very common among mystics.

 

[Balthazzar]

I developed bipolar "disorder" in my early twenties. It was touted as being a chemical imbalance. Over the years I've struggled to find and establish a working and functional balance. I'm fairly certain that life operates in balanced proportions, and although the balance gets knocked off kilter from time to time, it seems to level itself out eventually. The shifting of tectonic plates, disproportioned collections of water, wobble effects, etc. and the spin that eventually smooths out after these events take place illustrate a need for something. My guess is that both imbalance and balance are needed. RHP and LHP are no different. A time and place for everything eh? Learning to walk the line can be difficult and natural balancing only a matter of time - Laws of nature (physics) and all ....

 

[Cosmos-intérieur]

Yes , beyond duality and non-duality.

 

[Hermes]

I have also wondered on these matters. I do very much believe in deity in self as well as an allself/a higher absolute. But I do practice the paramitas and other compassionate practices so I guess I am a typical RHP, but I would very much like to know more about your practices why I joined here as well. Hope you don't find it offensive.

 

[Balthazzar]

Balance and counterbalancing the powers is the American way. A balance of power is needed in any form of governance, whether self deification or the honor of deities apart from self. Walking the line comes to mind, between the dark and light, whether the light is self-acknowledged or outside of self. I'm suggesting yes ... both can be honored. The questions and freedom association with the LHP is that of personal value, a subjective value based on personality. Logic and reason and truth are easily ignored yet difficult to deny, so to be most honest, I don't think there is any other way nor choice but to honor both to some extent, whether a choice is made to acknowledge or not. I'm a balance seeker by need, so my truth, my self indulgence is about my need for balance as an individual, which was forced on me by my environmental and psychosocial truths as a man. The left hand is no less needed than the right, nor the right left, so the sides we stand on, on "any given Sunday" adds to balance of power. Too much of one leads to imbalance and with imbalance comes awkward realities and chaos.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

For the purpose of this thread:

RHP = Joining with "The All" (objectively and/or subjectively)
LHP = Maintaining subjective separation from "The All"

Is it possible to walk both paths at once? Post some scenarios where this is possible, please.

I don't accept that definition of the LHP, myself. Not trying to argue, just my opinion. In my understanding, the LHP involves transgression, breaking taboos and facing fears such as confronting death to the point you mediate with rotting corpses and maybe even eat parts of them to be come one with death. No, you don't have to go this far, but that is a cultural practice.

My understanding of the Left-Hand Path was formed by my history as a Shakta devotee of Kali Maa, informed by Kalikua and Bengali Shaktism. In other words, I went to the source. Someone even called me a "Satanic Hindu" and it wasn't inaccurate. Lol. It's ultimately about true non-duality and acceptance of all reality as Divine, including the parts that scare us (such as death, pain and suffering) and there is nothing "broken" or "impure" about us or the Cosmos. God may be found everywhere and can be both frightening and devouring and as a nurturing Mother.

This goes right along with my Heathen beliefs and much of my understanding of Father Odin. There's various similarities between Hinduism and Germanic religion, both being Indo-European and Norse religion especially retained various archaic Indo-European features.

Anyway, in the end, I don't think it's possible to be separated from the All. We come from it and we will always return to it. And it's beautiful and beyond words. I've experienced it at times and it moved me beyond measure. It's changed me.

But this is me.

 

[crossfire]

I don't accept that definition of the LHP, myself. Not trying to argue, just my opinion. In my understanding, the LHP involves transgression, breaking taboos and facing fears such as confronting death to the point you mediate with rotting corpses and maybe even eat parts of them to be come one with death. No, you don't have to go this far, but that is a cultural practice.

My understanding of the Left-Hand Path was formed by my history as a Shakta devotee of Kali Maa, informed by Kalikua and Bengali Shaktism. In other words, I went to the source. Someone even called me a "Satanic Hindu" and it wasn't inaccurate. Lol. It's ultimately about true non-duality and acceptance of all reality as Divine, including the parts that scare us (such as death, pain and suffering) and there is nothing "broken" or "impure" about us or the Cosmos. God may be found everywhere and can be both frightening and devouring and as a nurturing Mother.

This goes right along with my Heathen beliefs and much of my understanding of Father Odin. There's various similarities between Hinduism and Germanic religion, both being Indo-European and Norse religion especially retained various archaic Indo-European features.

Anyway, in the end, I don't think it's possible to be separated from the All. We come from it and we will always return to it. And it's beautiful and beyond words. I've experienced it at times and it moved me beyond measure. It's changed me.

But this is me.

I see always conforming to societal pressures as "joining The All." You don't have to break norms to be LHP, as that would be giving credence to societal norms. I can see purposefully breaking taboos as a ritualistic way to break the spell the collective unconscious has over you. Once the spell over you is broken, and are freed from it, you have gained the power of my will be done rather than thy will be done.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I see always conforming to societal pressures as "joining The All." You don't have to break norms to be LHP, as that would be giving credence to societal norms. I can see purposefully breaking taboos as a ritualistic way to break the spell the collective unconscious has over you. Once the spell over you is broken, and are freed from it, you have gained the power of my will be done rather than thy will be done.

Your mileage may vary.

I'm not into it as merely a psychological thing, personally. I'm not an atheist or materialists. I'm a pantheist, polytheist and animist.

 

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I don't accept that definition of the LHP, myself. Not trying to argue, just my opinion. In my understanding, the LHP involves transgression, breaking taboos and facing fears such as confronting death to the point you mediate with rotting corpses and maybe even eat parts of them to be come one with death. No, you don't have to go this far, but that is a cultural practice.

My understanding of the Left-Hand Path was formed by my history as a Shakta devotee of Kali Maa, informed by Kalikua and Bengali Shaktism. In other words, I went to the source. Someone even called me a "Satanic Hindu" and it wasn't inaccurate. Lol. It's ultimately about true non-duality and acceptance of all reality as Divine, including the parts that scare us (such as death, pain and suffering) and there is nothing "broken" or "impure" about us or the Cosmos. God may be found everywhere and can be both frightening and devouring and as a nurturing Mother.

This goes right along with my Heathen beliefs and much of my understanding of Father Odin. There's various similarities between Hinduism and Germanic religion, both being Indo-European and Norse religion especially retained various archaic Indo-European features.

Anyway, in the end, I don't think it's possible to be separated from the All. We come from it and we will always return to it. And it's beautiful and beyond words. I've experienced it at times and it moved me beyond measure. It's changed me.

But this is me.

This is basically why I try to use the term Western Left Hand Path now. The east and west just have very different views of things. Though I like Stellar Tradition even more.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This is basically why I try to use the term Western Left Hand Path now. The east and west just have very different views of things. Though I like Stellar Tradition even more.

That's a good way to deal with it. It's ridiculous to expect a bunch of heterodox types to agree, anyway. Stellar Tradition sounds classy.