I want to know how they got there and better understand scripture without rejecting entire New Testament books.
Please note i don't reject anything, it is all evidence pertaining to the case... As someone raised in a large Christian family, i can explain most of the teachings from all perspectives.
If you want can specify all the verses Christians use to make that claim, and why they believe it.... Yet also why it is contrary to the Law, and to the Prophets.
I'm aware of your ideas here that few Christians seem to share.
Yes of course they don't, as Christianity was established in Antioch by Paul and Simon; thus the main basis of its teachings are from that perspective; which completely contradicts Yeshua being against the murdering of prophets as atoning sacrifices.
I regard these books as completely worthy of acceptance in the NT
The prophecies about the Great Deception, and Mother of All Harlots, wouldn't be true if it wasn't for these books being included, so everything is for a reason.
Also I'm aware of your own perspective as a Baha'i, and have looked into its teachings also.
traditional Christian view of God sacrificing the Messiah.
They're missing a huge part of the logic involved in understanding it....
First where does Isaiah 53 say you get anything from it, other than by him acting as intercessor for people's souls...
Isaiah 53:10 specifically says, 'it made him grieve when you turned him into a sin offering'.
In Jewish Law how can we justify any of Isaiah 53 as Kosher?
After we question the implications, and legislation, thus investigate the text more, or at least logically we would expect in a legal book....
We see the first line of Isaiah 53:1 saying, 'who would have
believed the
rumor'; these words placed together, imply something so far fetched, how could any believe it.
Just realized my self, how the rumor is a similar word in Hebrew (shemû‛âh) to that of the one for the Abomination of 'Desolation' (shâmêm), it is to stun sinisterly, to bring a dark report.
When we then see that rumor within Isaiah is found twice in Isaiah 28:9-19 with verse 20 telling us it is the chiastic bed of adultery, that is mentioned in Revelation 2:22 where the false church is thrown.
The Bible is a riddle, across time, everything has a context, and nothing can be missed, else you catch yourself out some way by it.
I agree it is through His knowledge but also the example of is His life that salvation comes.
His teachings summarize the same as his minstry in being a light unto many, doing the work of God, and being one with everyone, regardless if they're sinners.
Another reason Christians go off in a tangent, by 'separating themselves from anyone who is not a Christian', doing good works for some race for grace, instead of hearing Yeshua.
Luke 17:37 refers to signs of the rise of His Kingdom on earth and second coming IMHO.
Agreed, as it interlinks with Isaiah 34, by the terms together, "vultures gathering", thus listing all the Unkosher Ravenous animals to be removed on the Day of the Lord.
Then as you say the New Kingdom is after from my understanding of all the prophecies; where the remnant (144000) are to remain infinitely from then on, as Saints of the Most High with Christ .i.e Salvation (Yeshua).