Desert Snake
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Romans 8:3-7
Affirmation of salvation through faith alone?
Ephesians 3:6
Ephesians 1:12
Affirmation of salvation through faith alone?
Ephesians 3:6
Ephesians 1:12
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Romans 8:3-7
Affirmation of salvation through faith alone?
Ephesians 3:6
Ephesians 1:12
Romans 8:3-7
Affirmation of salvation through faith alone?
Ephesians 3:6
Ephesians 1:12
John 3:36I believe it is not. Salvation is by grace through faith. Without faith the grace means nothing. Without grace faith is in what?
John 3:36
You can take your argument up with the Bible, I guess.
I believe it is not. Salvation is by grace through faith. Without faith the grace means nothing. Without grace faith is in what?
Typical Pauline nonsense, imoRomans 8:3-7
Affirmation of salvation through faith alone?
Ephesians 3:6
Ephesians 1:12
Not really sure what your trying to get at today.... Are you saying that salvation is only on belief? Not really sure what your saying here..... Dont forget, salvation is NOT only based on belief. Belief is a start. We have to believe to begin with. We ARE saved by grace in the end. Belief is part of it, but... Jesus NEVER says that it is the ONLY thing you have to do!! Other things save too dont forget. Baptism, truth, faith, endurance, etc.... Salvation is a
Which word was that? And what theory?I already answered that theory. You misinterpreted a word, because of a translation.
Did you not read the discussion, or something?Which word was that? And what theory?
This...I believe it is not. Salvation is by grace through faith. Without faith the grace means nothing. Without grace faith is in what?
Means the same thing, as what you wrote...Not really sure what your trying to get at today.... Are you saying that salvation is only on belief? Not really sure what your saying here..... Dont forget, salvation is NOT only based on belief. Belief is a start. We have to believe to begin with. We ARE saved by grace in the end. Belief is part of it, but... Jesus NEVER says that it is the ONLY thing you have to do!! Other things save too dont forget. Baptism, truth, faith, endurance, etc.... Salvation is a process, it's not just one thing and "BAM" your saved!! It's a life long walk in our Lord. And.., and i'll sure you'll disagree, you can lose your salvation too. Scripture tells us that many are called but few are chosen. That is a statement about Judgement time when our Lord is back.
And what does "saved" mean for you anyhow?
This is my beginning statement.
The derivation, thusly, from Scripture.
This is the argument against my premise, using the concept of 'gra.ce', which you agreed with,
My explanation of why that argument is incorrect,
I then explained that that argument, using the word 'gra.ce', is a misinterpretation, of those verses, because the word in the Greek,
example,
Ephesians 2:8
Is actually 'charity', [ not a direct meaning word correlation to 'gra.ce'.
Thusly, salvation, through belief, because of the offer of Salvation.
Which matches , for example
John 3:36
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In other words, because of incorrect belief, that word, 'gra.ce', has been misinterpreted, as meaning something other than,
Salavation via faith.
Read my original statements again.I disagree. Your misinterpreting the word Grace is not correct, again..... I looked it up and i'm not finding anything with charity in it. Charity is not in Eph 2. What do you think Grace is anyhow?
John 3v36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:......." Are you saying that salvation is only based on belief? Belief is only part of salvation. In other words, because of incorrect belief, that word, 'grace', has been misinterpreted. Not sure where you getting your version.
Read my original statements again.
'Offer of Salvation', which requires belief.
You are either not reading the discussion, or, misinterpreting things, or something.
'Charity', is the word in Greek, which means an offering of salvation, via belief.
The word in english, the english bible, isn't a direct meaning same meaning word, which is why you have to either know, it means 'charity', real Believers already know that, or, you have to figure that out, with verses like
John 3:36
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This doesn't mean that the offer, the Sacrifice, is unconditional. However that isn't what was being argued, so you seem to be midunderstanding the arguments.
Charity means the 'offering of Salvation', via faith. Note how if one is using an interpretation, based on the word used in the english bible, one can derive bizarre ideas, concerning the interaction between 'Jesus', and the adherents? In other words, you haven't made it clear, what idea you are arguing, so what do you want explained?So by charity you are saved through faith?..... does that sound right to you?
Are you using a certain book or website on Greek words and meanings? I'm not seeing it. I"ve checked Strong's and other sites, really not sure where this "charity" is coming from....
This argument, which you agreed with, was presented, as an argument against my statements...I believe it is not. Salvation is by grace through faith. Without faith the grace means nothing. Without grace faith is in what?
Can you explain, why you agreed with that argument, so we know what you mean, by these concepts?So by charity you are saved through faith?..... does that sound right to you?
Are you using a certain book or website on Greek words and meanings? I'm not seeing it. I"ve checked Strong's and other sites, really not sure where this "charity" is coming from....