Pah
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Should Postal Workers Be Able to Refuse to Deliver Objectionable Mail?
Austin Cline
Austin Cline
Turn about is fair play?
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Religious politics
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BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
>Religious politics
As likely an oxymoron as I've ever seen!
Bruce
As likely an oxymoron as I've ever seen!
Bruce
Rejected
Under Reconstruction
This is absurd. It is the carriersâ job to deliver the mail, no to read it and decide whether or not it falls in line with their morals. Just like its pharmacists' job to issue the drugs, not to make a moral decision about the person who has the prescription. If you find that a portion of your job is irreconcilable with a portion of your religion, then get a new job, or get a new religion.
RevOxley_501
Well-Known Member
FatMan said:The publisher of Big Juggs Magazine is hoping not
as a subscriber IM hoping not....!!!!
JK BTW
The Canadian Postal Service is not under any obligation to deliver hate mail. Keep in mind that these are unaddressed unsolicited and unsealed pamphlets that spread hatred against homosexuals. This offensive material is specifically being sent to people who do not want it and are the most likely to be offended by it. Canada Post does have a consistent policy of refusing to deliver offensive material under these conditions. If these pamphlets had of contained pornographic material they would have automatically been refused without question (Big Juggs Magazinez and other similar publications must be in sealed envelopes and properly addressed before Canada Post will deliver it). And this kind of material should not have been accepted either. And I doubt that UPS would deliver it either.
I applaud the Postal workers for taking a stand. This is not about religion (there is no mention of the religion of any of the postal workers), and it is not about freedom of speech. No one can be forced to spread hate mail. If this Fundamental Baptist Mission wants this material delivered they should just get up off their ***** and deliver it themselves.
I applaud the Postal workers for taking a stand. This is not about religion (there is no mention of the religion of any of the postal workers), and it is not about freedom of speech. No one can be forced to spread hate mail. If this Fundamental Baptist Mission wants this material delivered they should just get up off their ***** and deliver it themselves.
steve "the god" irwin
New Member
it depends how heavy their bag is
MaddLlama said:
First just to clarify the point, when you refer to his manager you make it sound like this was one male postal worker who refused to do his job. Actually this was 68 postal workers, the entire staff of this particular postal facility who refused to deliver this offensive material.
And an official definition of hate mail is not needed. Canada Post has the right to refuse delivery of any material it considers offensive. No one at Canada Post has denied that this material is offensive. They should not deliver it.
If I was one of those Postal workers you can bet that I would have refused to deliver this material. Would you have delivered it?
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Hate mail... I love love it! Kudos to ALL of the carriers so offended that they refused to deliver such filth.
There should be no laws requiring you to violate your religion, as long as the impetus is NOT bigotry. IOW, giving medicine to an AIDs victim should be mandatory. Requiring a doctor to perform an abortion should not be. It is going to be up to each group to decide where they can draw the line. The government may try to do it, but legislating morality is never a good thing.
This is a sticky area where the rights of one group seem to intrude on the rights of another. One would hope that "LOVE" would be the guiding force in all of these clashes, but we know that this will not happen.
There should be no laws requiring you to violate your religion, as long as the impetus is NOT bigotry. IOW, giving medicine to an AIDs victim should be mandatory. Requiring a doctor to perform an abortion should not be. It is going to be up to each group to decide where they can draw the line. The government may try to do it, but legislating morality is never a good thing.
This is a sticky area where the rights of one group seem to intrude on the rights of another. One would hope that "LOVE" would be the guiding force in all of these clashes, but we know that this will not happen.
gnomon
Well-Known Member
On the general issue of where one's religious rights end and the employer's rights begin I usually side with the employer. There are grey areas of course.
I don't know anything about Canada's postal system. If it was in the U.S. and the supervisors had determined that the material was not hate mail than it is not up to the discretion of the carriers to act against that decision. They could simply distribute the material and then wait for the backlash from angry customers to hit the supervisors.
Actually, my underlying belief is that the U.S. Postal Service should not be allowed to deliver any advertisements or political literature. Only private (personal, bank related) or government mail (my tax refund).
I don't know anything about Canada's postal system. If it was in the U.S. and the supervisors had determined that the material was not hate mail than it is not up to the discretion of the carriers to act against that decision. They could simply distribute the material and then wait for the backlash from angry customers to hit the supervisors.
Actually, my underlying belief is that the U.S. Postal Service should not be allowed to deliver any advertisements or political literature. Only private (personal, bank related) or government mail (my tax refund).
Revasser
Terrible Dancer
I don't think they should refuse to deliver mail because it's objectionable (though I admire their convictions, nonetheless.) While refusing to process that kind of offensive "godspam" is not on anywhere near the same level of abuse of power as refusing to fill prescriptions because of petty objections to a patient's lifestyle, the basic principle is the same.
If some postal workers somewhere were allowed to get away with that, it opens the door and enables others like the aforementioned pharmacists to get away with more serious things using the excuse of "religion" or what have you. If you can't or won't fulfill the requirements of your job because of your religious or political beliefs, quit or don't take the job in the first place.
That said, if others in Canada have already gotten away with not doing their jobs on similar grounds, then more power to these postal workers. If that game in Canada has already begun, then turn about really is fair play.
If some postal workers somewhere were allowed to get away with that, it opens the door and enables others like the aforementioned pharmacists to get away with more serious things using the excuse of "religion" or what have you. If you can't or won't fulfill the requirements of your job because of your religious or political beliefs, quit or don't take the job in the first place.
That said, if others in Canada have already gotten away with not doing their jobs on similar grounds, then more power to these postal workers. If that game in Canada has already begun, then turn about really is fair play.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
They are not "reading the mail"... they are being assaulted with an offensive magazine cover. A magazine cover which LOUDLY proclaims the contents of the magazine is impossible to ignore. They should be packaged in brown paper envelopes just as nudie magazines are probably done.
BTW, how DO they send that kind of thing in the mail?
BTW, how DO they send that kind of thing in the mail?
MaddLlama
Obstructor of justice
Ozzie said:
Postal workers, in the US at least, are not allowed to open sealed mail. However, if someone drops off a bunch of unsealed pamphlets addressed on the back, it's not a crime to pick it up and look through it before delivering it.
I don't think it's his decision to make though. What if I want that pamphlet? I need more worthless free paper to shred.
Ozzie said:
If you send a postcard through the mail, you should realize that the postal workers are going to read it.
This may come as a surprise to some of you, but it is not a violation to read the mail. It is a violation to open someone elses mail. That is not what happened here. These were unsealed pamphlets being sent out in the form of bulk mailings. They were no different than the flyers and junkmail that litters most of our mailboxes every day (the only difference is that these were bigger than most, and instead of selling pizzas they were selling hate). There is no law against reading a flyer.