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Rearm Japan and Germany
- Thread starter Spiderman
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74x12
Well-Known Member
Oh yeah. Japan is rightfully worried about China; so of course. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't already have nukes. And Germany is probably heading that way as well; but under the banner of the EU. Look at what the French president said recently about wanting an EU army.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
What restrictions are you referring to?
74x12
Well-Known Member
The ones put on them after world war 2.
Shad
Veteran Member
Japan has been rearming for over a decade. Japan has two CVs merely designated as Helicopter Destroyers to bypass treaty. The US has been supporting rearming of Japan to reduce costs, commitments and as auxiliary force as augments for US forces. The treaty has become a straitjacket hindering adaption to modern issues. Ergo bypassing and/or stretching the wording of treaty to it's limit.
Germany and Japan are now bound by the Non-Proliferation treaty so there is a redundancy to the WW2 treaty. Although I doubt the USA would lift the restriction anyways, More so I do not think the governments of either nation nor the populations would support nuclear armament. Germany seems to have a national phobia regarding general rearmament due to the world wars.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Spiderman
Veteran Member
They are limited though. After World War II, neither of those countries was allowed to reach full capacity of military strength or have nukes.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That and we are obligated to defend them should they ever be attacked by another foreign power.
I think Japan would eventually be allowed to develop its military back to its former "glory" but Germany I think would be a much harder sell given that they not only started a world war, but two world wars.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
How nice to believe in popular history.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
So what's the real history?
Japan has a national defense force that is not allowed to go on the offensive.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
A little more complicated than "Germany started it, twice".
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
They sent engineers to Iraq. Military engineers are extremely offensive.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Germany is limited to maximal 370.000 soldiers as per the 2+4 treaty.
Not that it matters much which includes the entire topic. The big majority of Germans are pacifists nowadays so that even UN peacekeeping missions are a controversial topic.
You know just because it says so on a piece of paper doesn't mean it's true.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Augustus
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By now, any limitations are ultimately self-imposed.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Don't forget that Germany in the 1930s had armament restrictions, too. With the befit of hindsight we can say they weren't a complete success.
That's because the countries which would have enforced such restrictions were letting their own forces wither on the vine and had them scattered all over the world to prop up their bloated but fading empires. When Germany violated the armaments restrictions imposed on them by Versailles, Britain and France were far too impotent to do anything about it. The US was in a similar situation, which is why we learned our lesson after the war and decided to maintain a huge military-industrial complex - just in case.