John D. Brey
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John D. Brey said:As Rabbi Hirsch makes clear, the new birth on the eighth day frees man from the law, which Rabbi Hirsch actually says rules over nature (and the flesh conceived by natural procreation), and enters man into a new plane of existence whereby he's free to make moral judgments for himself, without the law that rules over the old man,
rosends said:Hirsch writes (page 301 of his commentary on Genesis, writing about verse 17:11)
"With cutting away the foreskin, the whole body receives the stamp of submission to the spirit carrying out the Divine Law of morality."
Note -- divine law, not man's freedom to make his own judgments.
Yes. I think the idea is that the body (flesh) is stamped with the mark of submission (the circumcision scar). But the new birth is the birth of the spirit of God in man (as contrary to the mere flesh born under subordination to law). ----Rabbi Hirsch seems clear that the flesh is conceived at night, from the passions of the flesh, and the ruler of the night (the serpent), while the spirit is conceived on the eighth day, in the light of day, not by flesh and blood, but by the Spirit of God. The flesh is subordinate to the law, but the spirit does more than the law prescribes, and that by its (the spirit's) very essence, rather than by obedience motivated by the harsh consequences of judgment on the lawbreaker.
rosends said:Or, we can go back to volume 3 of the collected writings. The entire section on circumcision is on point, but here's a quote from p. 78, "All the physical aspects of our earthly existence, with all the impulses and forces, its riches and pleasures, must be brought under the firm control (milah) of the holy will of God."
In his writing, Rabbi Hirsch points out that the very word "milah" means "opposition." Brit milah is the covenant of "opposition" to the flesh, which is conceived in sin, and is thus born under the harsh authority of the law. He says to take a knife and put the flesh in its place. He plays on the Hebrew letters די (as you note below) which sound like "die." Circumcision is the cutting opposition (milah) that pulls the yod from underneath the dalet in the letter heh ה producing the letters dalet-yod די. Kill the flesh, and the spirit will live.
rosends said:Circumcision is, according to Hirsch, a matter of binding the self in a covenant rife with obligations and rules as established by God. You might want to look at page 81 also, the first complete paragraph which starts "A mere glance at the Divine legislation given to Israel is sufficient to show that this Law does not in any way limit itself to regulating relations between man and man or to setting standards of justice and kindness for human society." Just read that and the rest, and your theory that circumcision frees one to make any of his own rules or to be separate from any divine law is blown out of the water. The paragraph on the top of 82 really destroys your premise. Do you have a copy of the text or should I type it all in for you? Turn to page 85 which then gets into the additions of positive commandments. At the bottom of 95 and going to 96 is also worthy of note: "It is to such a man that circumcision addresses itself, placing the knife into his hand and demanding that he himself apply the limits of God's Law to the sensual aspects of his body."
In the context of what you're saying above, Rabbi Hirsch gives the story of the Israelite's preparation to enter the land God has promised them. He notes that they're told not to spare man, woman, child, nor even animal. They are to destroy all flesh. . . . But, first, Rabbi Hirsch notes something important. Before they enter the land to annihilate their enemies, they must first destroy an enemy greater than they will encounter in the land. They are to take the knives prepared for destroying the enemies in the promised land, and circumcise all males (to include, for the first time, periah).
The knife of די is not to tame the flesh, or to mark a pact with the flesh. It's the death of the flesh. The utter destruction of the flesh. And in the symbolism, a particular, and central element of the flesh. It's ability to reproduce, to procreate. The Jew is born on the eighth day by the blood of Gentile flesh. He's born a Jew in the spirit that's freed from the flesh marked with a scar. He's virgin born on the eighth day. No flesh is used to conceive his Jewish identity. That flesh has been bled with a knife (circumcision, the foundation of Judaism, and the mechanism for conceiving the Jew). The flesh bled is not Jewish flesh. It's Gen(i)tile flesh. Bleeding that flesh is both the way a Jew is conceived, and the way we conceive what it is to be a Jew.
John
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