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Question about the writings of Paul...

Maybe it's just my experience or view of the world, but I find that whenever anyone starts a post or statement by quoting the scriptures attributed to Paul, I feel a lecture coming on. More than any other contributor to the canon, Paul's writings seem to be used to justify self-righteous pontificating about how one ought to think, believe or act.

I admit that I could be over-generalizing and perhaps am super-sensitive regarding remarks that are not intended to be directive.

Has anyone else had this experience?
 
Maybe it's just my experience or view of the world, but I find that whenever anyone starts a post or statement by quoting the scriptures attributed to Paul, I feel a lecture coming on. More than any other contributor to the canon, Paul's writings seem to be used to justify self-righteous pontificating about how one ought to think, believe or act.

I admit that I could be over-generalizing and perhaps am super-sensitive regarding remarks that are not intended to be directive.

Has anyone else had this experience?

I have never felt that way, but I find the writings very fascinating, because of what he says, and the way he says it.For instance when Paul speaks of The Law and Sin.The underlined is the best part to me.It explains exactly how I feel when I committed sins.
Only Gods word can tell you what is really in a man's heart.


Romans 7:7-25New International Version (NIV)
The Law and Sin
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”[a] 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[b] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing.20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature[c] a slave to the law of sin.



This explanation of our slavery to sin is perfect.I can see how one might see it as a lecture, but the information is deep.
 
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EverChanging

Well-Known Member
Generally I like the Pauline epistles but have a hard time with the patriarchy. And I'm not always sure about how he represents Judaism. Perhaps his sect during his time period differed from Judaism today, but it's an issue I've meant to study more. I really like Ephesians, but I guess most might think that one is pseudo-Pauline?
 

Kolibri

Well-Known Member
Paul was raised a Pharisee, but he was not a Pharisee once he became a Christian. If he was than he would be creating a division, a sect within the christian congregation. What makes Paul unique among the Christian writers is that he, like the physician Luke, had a considerable education. So his explanations carried more "legalise" then the rest of the Christian Greek Scriptures. Have you ever tried to read a modern legal document?

I am reminded of Peter's words:

"Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him, speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. However, some things in them are hard to understand, and these things the ignorant (or "untaught.") are twisting, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."
- 2 Peter 3:16

We get two things here. One, Paul's letters were considered as "the rest of the Scriptures", meaning they were considered of equal weight of what came before including the Hebrew canon. Second, that they can easily be misunderstood, or worse, twisted into something unrecognizable.
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
Maybe it's just my experience or view of the world, but I find that whenever anyone starts a post or statement by quoting the scriptures attributed to Paul, I feel a lecture coming on. More than any other contributor to the canon, Paul's writings seem to be used to justify self-righteous pontificating about how one ought to think, believe or act.

I admit that I could be over-generalizing and perhaps am super-sensitive regarding remarks that are not intended to be directive.

Has anyone else had this experience?
St. Paul's words certainly are much easier to twist around than Jesus'. Given that St. Paul was writing to advise congregations on certain moral and faith issues, and since his Epistles are treated as Scripture, it's very easy to take the advice he gave under very specific circumstances and make it apply to whatever the heck you want.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Maybe it's just my experience or view of the world, but I find that whenever anyone starts a post or statement by quoting the scriptures attributed to Paul, I feel a lecture coming on. More than any other contributor to the canon, Paul's writings seem to be used to justify self-righteous pontificating about how one ought to think, believe or act.

I admit that I could be over-generalizing and perhaps am super-sensitive regarding remarks that are not intended to be directive.

Has anyone else had this experience?

50% or more of NT scripture is application, not theology. How to live your life. Romans is about 50/50 - 8 chapters of who-what-where-why and then 8 chapters of how to be. The gospels and other parts of Paul are up to 75% application. Go and sin no more, etc.

Because Paul is a person and not God, he can come off preachy. But he was a very humble person, both in his sufferings and in the way he speaks to us. Read Philemon again and you will read the mastery of someone writing a letter who doesn't come off preachy...
 
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