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Featured Queens of Heaven have been historically far more kind and rational than Yahweh!

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  1. Spiderman

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    I simply get more out of praying to female entities, so I just ask that God would assign the perfect Spirits or Angels to the Egyptian, Shinto, Babylonian, Greek, and Roman female Divinities (Queens of Heaven) that I feel called to pray to, that I would be interacting with souls allied with him and not Devils.

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    The people the Prophet Jeremiah was dealing with people who wouldn't stop burning incense to the Queen of Heaven. The Idolaters essentially said, "when we pray to the Queen of Heaven she helps us and our lives are great. When we stop burning incense to her and just pray to Yahweh, everything falls apart and we are afflicted in every way" (same message just a different choice of words).

    The worst atrocities I've ever heard of , and the worst tortures, as well as the worst cases of narcissism and bigotry I ever heard of are contained in the Bible and Qur'an. Descriptions of Hell make Auschwitz sound like a drop of water in the ocean compared to how severe the sentence is of eternal excruciating pain (that Scripture says their screams will rise up to Heaven night and day forever who worshipped the beast and his image.

    Many of the people who worshipped the image do so out of ignorance, fear, and inability to buy or sell without receiving the mark.
    Surely such a penalty is the most epitome of unjust and inhumane policy ever heard of. Not to mention, those who don't believe the correct Doctrine will go to that place of eternal torture).

    So, I've reached the point where I cannot even possibly desire anything other than my mother would have aborted me if that is the kind of God we have, because I don't want to be in Heaven forever worshipping the most sadistic being I've ever heard of.

    Plus the Bible I read from Genesis to revelation and find it to be the most depressing piece of literature that had plenty of verses that say the opposite of what other verses say, leading people to opposite opinions that lead to burning heretics at the stake, incessant arguing, division, rage, anger, destruction of relationships, and religious wars.

    I don't see a lot of the female Deities inspiring Scriptures that are ordering massive amounts of genocides and being extremely jealous of anyone sharing in their glory, and insisting that everyone should be devoted to them alone or perish (with threat of a lake of fire or eternal damnation where there will be "wailing and gnashing of teeth" and "the worm doth not die").

    No doubt Pagans have committed their atrocities against Monotheists, but Pagans have also been very kind to Monotheists as well, tolerating them and exalting them, like Pharoah who was considered God gave Joseph control of his house and all of his possessions, or like King Cyrus of Babylon, Jews hailed him as their Messiah, the "anointed one of the Lord", the "King of Kings", who ended their Captivity, created Israel, and restored the Temple.

    Genghis Kahn was not an Abrahamic Monotheist but very Spiritual always praying to his sky God Tengri and created the first Empire in history where all Religions were supposed to respect each other by law. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam however adhere to very bigoted Scriptures where there is no message in Scripture about respecting what Polytheists hold as sacred.


    Repeatedly the message in Scripture is to destroy what they hold as sacred and put them to the sword. Scripture even sanctions sex slavery where you kill everyone in a city but the women who haven't known men (Virgins), and take them as wives and concubines.

    Not to mention, Scripture says that if a man rapes a Virgin, the Virgin has to marry her rapist. That has to be hell reliving the same traumatic event over and over again for the rest of one's life like that.

    Where have such barbaric , cruel, depraved policies been instituted on a massive scale by a female entity? Which Religion has a female entity creating Scriptures that say "worship me or you are going to perish in a lake of fire where your screams will rise up in agony for eternity. Worship me alone for I am jealous of any other Supernatural being you show your love for. Destroy everything in those cities that worship other Divinities. Put pregnant women, babies, and animals to the sword!"

    How has Yahweh proven that he is a nicer God than the Pagan Deities who he repeatedly tramples upon, and whose people he has violently murdered. Lets not forget , God said he would harden the heart of Pharoah to not let the Hebrews out of slavery. Then he sent the Angel of death to kill babies and children (all the first born of Egypt) because Pharoah had hardness of heart, that God made clear he was responsible for in the first place. Is anything more sickening?

    Yahweh ordered that that people caught working on Saturday should be stoned to death.
    Death by stoning would be a scary and often painful way to die. What would we think if there was a regime now a days that killed people for working on the wrong day of the week? Wouldn't we say that is as bad as terrorist groups like ISIS and their policies (which have their roots in Yahweh).

    Were there any female Divinities that instituted laws like "Kill people for working on the wrong day of the week".

    I used to think abortion was mean, but better to die as a baby than let Yahweh abuse us the way he does with blatant epitome of hatred, wrath, and bigotry.



    Fortunately, I think Yahweh evolves and it is Biblical that an intercessor can get him to change his mind, which is why I don't think the Bible is very relevant anymore. No where does the Bible say to use the Bible as the sole and only rule of Theological truth.. At least Jesus totally contradicted all the Scriptures when he preached charity, but even the New Testament has some of the epitome of injustice and psychopathic eternal tortures in store for people where the crime doesn't even meet a microscopic fraction of the time (sentence).

    Anyway, my Religion dates back to 4,000 BC when the phrase "Queen of Heaven" first began to be used in Mesopotamia. I feel it is extremely sad so many people are without the remedy that helped me. No jailhouse ministries are teaching people that there are female entities they can pray to. In fact they almost always would discourage it.

    There's an old saying "Mom's are like Dad's, just smarter". The Bible , which was written entirely by men, seems to give that message some credibility, ...and I'm no feminist or pandering to women by any stretch.

    But coming up I'll discuss the Arab Moon Goddess Fatima 89f5247858dd843a351ddd9fbe8e786d.gif who was venerated at Mecca before the rise of Islam crushed devotion to her, Our Lady of Fatima (as the Virgin Mary who made the Sun dance in a vision witnessed by a crowd of 70,000 people in 1917),

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    Aphrodite the most beautiful of Greek Goddesses aphrodite (1).jpg ,


    ab29d86be69a1de246796cd957027647.jpg Venus the Roman Goddess of love and beauty. An equivalent of Aphrodite with a little bit more restraint on her erotic passions

    Athena: the Virgin Goddess of War maxresdefault (2).jpg and Wisdom,

    Kali: the Hindu Goddess of destruction, death, cemeteries (If there is a feminine Deity that resembles Yahweh more that I know of, it would be Kali, but Kali doesn't strike me as jealous or bigoted, just has rage against Demons and people that oppress her devotees that causes innocent people to die.
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    And Isis the Egyptian Mother Goddess

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  2. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Caritas Christi Urget Nos
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    Have you ever spoken to a priest about your issues with Christianity and God? It really sounds like you would benefit from better faith formation. Someone might have failed you here. Maybe even attend RCIA classes and ask questions there. You can even look at Christian points of view outside of Catholicism, such as Orthodox Christianity. I find that Orthodoxy has a more mystical and sublime view of God that is much more compassionate than much of what you find in Western Christianity, which is very degraded at this stage as it has been under attack by various cultural forces for the past few centuries. The Orthodox view of Hell is very different from the Western view, too.

    Just a suggestion, out of concern for you.

    And like I said, Cyrus was Persian, not Babylonian.
     
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    Actually , scratch the idea of getting too much into detail about the Goddesses unless you have questions or want to know more.

    This is supposed to facilitate meaningful discussion about whether Yahweh is any nicer, kinder, more patient, more humane, and less violent than major Divine Femininity Deities.

    I love spiders , and the Spider represents Divine Femininity , and is the most female dominant creature on earth and most commonly feared of them, where the female can get 15 times larger than the male and eat him when he loses his virginity to her.

    If my version of "Queens Shinto" Religion ever has an official banner , our Papal flag shall look something like this:

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    And we shall contend with all branches of Abrahamic Monotheism. Israel means "Contender with God", and Israel fought with God all night and won.
     
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    One of the titles of Cyrus is "King of Babylon". That's what I meant.

    Also, Orthodox Christianity is better on some levels but has it's roots in a wrathful, judgemental, narcissistic , bigoted God, and Scriptures.
     
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    Saint Frankenstein Caritas Christi Urget Nos
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    Where is he called that?

    Then why be a Christian?
     
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    IMO:

    Follow your conscience/feeling is important. You know what is best for you, others don't, unless clairvoyant; not many are clairvoyant

    What more proof you need ... women are more gentle on Earth, as they seem to be in Heaven

    Are you surprised? Men wrote the Bible/Koran. Men were not all Saints. Barbarians were well known 400-900. Tells me a lot

    I don't believe these inconsistencies and cruel verses in both Bible and Koran. IMO, just the mind of sick men.

    When God speaks to someone, then the message can only be as pure as the receiver's mind is. Barbarian mind will generate Barbarian Scripture.
     
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    IMO:

    On Earth as in Heaven ... women don't make war ... men do, and coincidentally it were men who wrote these cruel Scriptures
    This tells me nothing about how God and/or Heaven is in reality. It only tells me what these men, who wrote it, were thinking/believing

    Really bad, and with the knowledge we have now it's crazy and totally psychologically sickening. This can't be from a loving God, if it were from a loving God it should have been something like "rapist must marry her and provide for her, the rest of her life ... but only if she agrees"

    Indeed, another not spiritual crazy thing. Totally not in place here.
     
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    He took the title of "King of Babylon"
    History of Iran: Cyrus The Great

    Why be a Christian?
    I'm not. I'm a Shinto who accepts Jesus as his Lord and savior because the teaching about carrying one's cross daily and being crucified makes sense to atone for sin and lead to a glorious resurrection.

    I look around me and see a crucified world of agony, fear, suffering, suicides, and violence. The message of the cross and the teaching about the law being summed up in love doesn't go against my conscience.

    But I will accept nothing that goes against my conscience, so I'm Shinto. In Shinto, the only Doctrine is that Kami (Supernatural entities) exist. Other than that, there are no Doctrines, so nothing to argue about.

    Shinto is about following heart and conscience above an ancient text that contradicts itself. In Shinto they even have a tomb for Jesus Christ in Japan. I don't believe the folklore behind Jesus going to Japan, but the lovely thing about Shinto is, they don't claim any Prophet or Scripture is inerrant, and therefore there are no Scriptures and no founder.

    So nothing to argue about. It's all about enshrining Amaterasu, friends, or ancestors, burning incense and candles to Kami, and making offerings to and for them as well as doing good deeds.
     
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    Good post.

    I forget, you're a pretty smart dude.

    But do you think you over analyze the situation?

    Another member on the forum cautioned me on my use of "fluff", as she called it.

    The Rope a Pope takes the cake.

    I pick this one:

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    Except put her in a thong, a white thong.

    Contrasting over that tan skin.

    Now you see why we can't worship camel toe.

    Whatever happened to Benito Mussolini?

    I thought he was your guy.

    I did an image search on this girl to see if I could find a better one.

    I couldn't.

    But when I got to the bottom of the page it said:

    Looks like you've reached the end​
     
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    Just awful. :facepalm:
     
  11. Kooky

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    The "Queen of Heaven" Jeremiah speaks of in the passage you quote was most likely Asherah, a female divine figure who was present in a lot of religions all over the Middle East under slightly different names, frequently playing the role of the female aspect of the divine and the personification of fertility in her role as "Mother of all living things". Among the Canaanite and Ugarite tribes of the Levant, she was often referred to as 'Elat', 'goddess'. similar to 'El', 'god/lord'. The Queen of Heaven represented a key aspect of ancient Middle Eastern culture and belief - she was seen as the feminine, reproductive, motherly counterpart - more important to the daily lives of farmers, and thus eminently more approachable than the distant Lord of Heaven, the capricious and often remote sky father who watched over them.

    What we are reading when the Israelites cry out to smash her idols was perhaps a religious purge of sorts, where the sons of Israel would cleanse their patriarchical religion of all female aspects, abandoning the pairing of El & Elat by removing the latter, leaving the male god as the sole ruler of Israel and its religion. Perhaps the prevalence of the cult of the Queen-Mother threatened the patriarchial social order. Perhaps the priests of the Lord of Heaven merely sought greater control over the peasant population by eliminating a potential rival priesthood, and by destroying the Goddess thought to humble them and bring them to heel. The Israeli word Qadishut or Qedeshot is frequently translated as "temple prostitute" or "sacred prostitute" - but it is the fact of the matter that in societies that had not eliminated the cult of the Mother goddess, similar words (e.g. the Assyrian/Babylonian qadishtu) existed as perfectly neutral and adequate terms to describe the female priesthood of a divine figure - frequently, the Queen-Mother of Heaven.

    Now, they don't call me Kooky for nothing, so I'm going to make a considerable leap here and conclude that what we see in Jeremiah and elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible constitutes a deliberate assault by the followers of the Lord of the Sky against the cult of the Queen of Heaven, an attempt to both metaphysically humble or destroy the goddess and to physically subjugate or humble her female priesthood. This must not have been an easy task, as the goddess represented several aspects that were crucial to an ancient agricultural society, and moreover represented, in some ways, feminity and motherhood itself.

    Thus we see goddess cults cropping up throughout the Bible, and whenever one of the prophets of the Sky Lord see some kind of evil in the world, they immediately identify the followers of the goddess and their religious paraphernalia as the source of this evil - thus, we get the 'golden calf', most likely some kind of cultic object of one such goddess figure, we get seductive Canaanite queens leading people astray from the Lord's worship, we get priestesses denigrated as 'temple prostitutes' and queens denigrated as wily seductresses.

    And we see Biblical mythology littered with female figures that seem to represent some aspects of the Goddess, cast in a negative light to throw shadow at her by association: We have Lilith, the woman who would not let herself be ruled by men; we have Eve, the "mother of all life", who likewise is blamed for all of mankind's woes. Lilith, interestingly, eventually became associated with religious imagery of yet another important Queen of Heaven - Inanna or, more well known by her Akkadian name, Ishtar, the Venus-mother of love and war, reproduction and destruction, with her angelic wings and talon-like feet, representing both physical pain and metaphysical ascension: (edit) The latter is interestingly also often shown holding a lion on her leash - her dominance over natural male aggression and nature as the Mistress of agricultural civilization.

    (edit: added Wiki links)
     
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    Yea, I literally spoke the first line of your signature out loud when I read that.
     
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    Put her in a thong and you still have someone far more faultless than Yahweh.

    No, I'm not over anylyzing. If God burns people in Hell for all eternity he is the most sadistic thing that ever was and I don't want to spend eternity worshipping him
     
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    I agree, it's bad. But I don't believe in such a God. Have you ever witnessed God doing this, or is it just hearsay from Bible and Koran?
     
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    I'm speaking specifically of Scripture.
     
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    Men should let women rule the world, but I guess your saying is right ... "men are not that smart after all":D
     
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    Okay.

    But do you really believe literally what is said in those scriptures to be true?
     
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    I must admit, that I never prayed to Kali. Good reason though. Once she came in my dream and afterwards I was really sick for 1 year. I saw it as a cleansing, but it was not fun. But, that what does not kill you makes you stronger they say. And this is definitely what happened to me in that year.
     
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    I won't mind this Goddess to appear in my dreams tonight:cool:
     
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    I hope those scriptures are false but sometimes not certain.
     
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