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Featured Psalm 30:3 and Isaiah 38:17

Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by Frank Goad, Jan 16, 2019.

  1. nPeace

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    What I like about the questions you ask, apart from them being specific, is that you chose the appropriate forum, which gave these guidelines...
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    Reading the verses in context...

    (Psalm 30:1-3) 1 I will exalt you, O Jehovah, for you have lifted me up; You did not let my enemies rejoice over me. 2 O Jehovah my God, I cried to you for help, and you healed me. 3 O Jehovah, you have lifted me up from the Grave. You kept me alive; you spared me from sinking into the pit.

    (Isaiah 38:16-20) 16 ‘O Jehovah, by these things every man lives, And in them is the life of my spirit. You will restore me to health and preserve me alive. 17 Look! Instead of peace, I had great bitterness; But in your fondness for me, You preserved me from the pit of destruction. You have thrown all my sins behind your back. 18 For the Grave cannot glorify you, Death cannot praise you. Those who go down into the pit cannot hope for your faithfulness. 19 The living, the living can praise you, Just as I can this day. A father can give his sons knowledge about your faithfulness. 20 O Jehovah, save me, And we will play my songs on stringed instruments All the days of our life at the house of Jehovah.’”

    Both texts apparently are talking about being rescued from death - preserved alive. So in other words, rescued from going into the pit, or grave.
    Some teaching, and perhaps translations mislead people with the view that the pit is a furnace for cooking souls alive, but this is not what the Bible teaches.

    God told Adam, "In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19)
    Adam - the soul - died and went back to dust.
    See Ezekiel 18:4
     
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    Who has said the pit is scary?
     
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    If you read the post right above this one i said that how can the pit be scary.If it's only the body that goes there?Into the "pit of corruption'?In Isaiah 38:17
     
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    Some people believe that the brain is part of the body.
     
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    It is the brain that feels. Isn't it?
     
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    So, @Frank Goad is the lady right? Are you moving us towards the Jehovah's Witnesses to join them?
     
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    Notice King David's words.
    (Acts 2:25-32)
    25 For David says about him: ‘I keep Jehovah constantly in front of me, for he is at my right hand that I may never be shaken. 26 On this account my heart became cheerful and my tongue rejoiced greatly. And I will reside in hope; 27 because you will not leave me in the Grave, nor will you allow your loyal one to see corruption. 28 You have made life’s ways known to me; you will fill me with great joy in your presence.’ 29 “Men, brothers, it is permissible to speak with freeness of speech to you about the family head David, that he died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath that he would seat one of his offspring on his throne, 31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he forsaken in the Grave nor did his flesh see corruption. 32 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.

    What did David mean?
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    (1 Corinthians 15:35-42)
    35 Nevertheless, someone will say: “How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming?” 36 You unreasonable person! What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies. 37 And as for what you sow, you sow, not the body that will develop, but just a bare grain, whether of wheat or of some other kind of seed; 38 but God gives it a body just as it has pleased him, and gives to each of the seeds its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same flesh, but there is one of mankind, there is another flesh of cattle, another flesh of birds, and another of fish. 40 And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort. 41 The glory of the sun is one sort, and the glory of the moon is another, and the glory of the stars is another; in fact, one star differs from another star in glory. 42 So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption.

    What do you think corruption means?
    Is it not true that a mortal body is subject to death and decay?
    Unlike all other human corpses, Jesus' corpse was preserved from decay - though corruptible... although in the "pit of corruption". It was raised up in three days..
     
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    No i am not savagewind.
     
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    OK. Do you have a goal in kind with the thread?
     
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    I think that @nPeace is a JW, though hidden. Please know that I might be wrong.
     
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    Jesus was an exception.The pit of corruption.Was different for jesus.It wasn't like in isaiah 38:17.nPeace.
     
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    I mentioned this to Ellen Brown when he or she asked me the same question of why i am so interested in Jehovah's witness. savagewind.
     
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    JWs witness believe that the dead are unfeeling and unknowing. They trust that God alone can make anyone who has died live again to feel and to know.
     
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    Please, explain.
     
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    Jesus soul was in hades and sounds like it was aware.Different then Psalms 6:5.Also his body didn't rot like in Isaiah 38:17
     
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    Take the Bible words literally and then head for trouble.
     
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    Where does it say Jesus' soul was aware?
     
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    I was wondering the same thing.
     
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