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Pre nuptuals; good or bad ?

michel

Administrator Emeritus
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I am sure some of us will feel a sense of sadness that Paul & Heather Mills McCartney are to divorce..........................


I heard this on the television this morning, during which two lawyers (guests in the studio) were talking about how Paul must be angry with himself that he ignored the advice to have pre-nuptual contracts drawn up before the marriage. One of the lawyers said :" It is far better to draw up a pre-nuptual agreement before the marriage; it isn't very expensive, and it saves all the harrowing effects of having to "fight it out in court at the end of a marriage" ".

To me, the idea of a pre-nuptual implies an acceptance that the marriage may not work. We go into church, say our vows; 'til death do us part'.

There is, of course, current & historical evidence to show that many marriages do fail, and that divorce may well ensue. The lawyer was saying that England unlike most other European countries, we rarely have pre-nuptuals, and that "we should get with the beat baggy".

To me, a pre nuptual is an acceptance that things might not work out. We all know that marriage is not a bed of roses, and that hard work and comitment are needed.

It seems we have various way to go with this;
a) admit the possibility of a divorce in the future, and either the Church removes the "Till death do us part" from the ceremony, failing that,
b) We all have civil marriages

What do you guys think ?

By the way, I am not being insensitive here; my own father was divorced,(as a Roman Catholic he was ex-communicated for that). My wife and I have had our very rough moments.................

I know that many divorces are inevitable, and that, for people to suffer greatly within a marriage seems 'wrong'.

It just strikes me that Marriage is something that we need to go into with a conviction that it will be forever; to even allow the though that things might not work out is allowing the mechanism of "I can't cope with this any more, I am off" to creep into our minds


http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/05/17/mccartney.legal.ap/

Paul McCartney faces expensive divorce

Expert: 'She could get a huge chunk of his wealth'


Thursday, May 18, 2006; Posted: 4:51 a.m. EDT (08:51 GMT)

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LONDON, England (AP) -- When he's 64, Paul McCartney may well be on a long and winding road -- through the courts -- in one of Britain's most expensive divorce cases.
With Wednesday's announcement that the former Beatle and his second wife, Heather Mills McCartney, have separated, speculation immediately turned to the financial settlements surrounding the end of their four-year marriage.
"She could get a huge chunk of his wealth," said Patricia Hollings, a divorce specialist with the London legal firm Finers Stephens Innocent. (Watch the good and bad times in Beatle marriage -- 2:00)
Hollings said that Mills McCartney's relatively young age -- she is 38 -- and the fact that they have a child, combined with McCartney's "staggering" wealth and celebrity status, have the potential to push the settlement into the stratosphere.
On Wednesday, McCartney, who turns 64 next month, posted a message on his personal Web site saying that he was upset over suggestions that Mills McCartney had simply married him for his fortune, estimated to be $1.5 billion. (Full story)
The couple did not have a prenuptial agreement, Mills McCartney said in a Vanity Fair interview in 2002.
"It's been suggested that she married me for the money and there is not an ounce of truth in this," McCartney said in the posting. "She is a very generous person who spends most of her time trying to help others in greater need than herself. All the work she does is unpaid so these stories are ridiculous and completely unfounded."
Earlier in the day, the couple issued a joint statement insisting their split was friendly -- but said that intrusions by the media made it difficult to sustain their relationship.
"Having tried exceptionally hard to make our relationship work given the daily pressures surrounding us, it is with sadness that we have decided to go our separate ways," the couple said. "Our parting is amicable and both of us still care about each other very much."
McCartney and Mills McCartney married in June 2002, four years after his wife Linda McCartney died of breast cancer. Linda and Paul McCartney married in 1969, and had three children -- Mary, Stella and James.
That marriage was one of showbiz's most enduring unions; after Linda McCartney's death, a family spokesman said they "never spent a night apart in the 30 years that they have loved one another."
McCartney and Mills McCartney met at a charity event in 1999, and their relationship immediately made tabloid headlines, not simply because of the difference in their ages but also because of the supposed disapproval of McCartney's children. There were also stories about rowdy arguments between the pair.
Mills McCartney has also been accused of meddling in her husband's career -- such as the dismissal of his longtime publicist Geoff Baker -- and even of influencing him on issues as diverse as dying his hair and plastic surgery.
At one point, McCartney felt forced to defend his wife publicly. In a statement on Mills McCartney's personal Web site, McCartney posted a note blasting the media and denying the rumors, including suggestions that his children disliked their stepmother.
Mills McCartney is a former model and a vociferous animal-rights campaigner who recently traveled with McCartney to eastern Canada to fight that country's seal hunt. On that trip, they appeared happy and professional, an Associated Press reporter who accompanied them said.
In 1993, Mills' left leg was amputated below the knee after a motorcycle accident, and she became active in campaigning against land mines.
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Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
From a legal standpoint, all marriages are contracts. Without pre-nups, they are by default the state's standard marriage contract. Looked at that way, a pre-nup is a way to tailor a couple's marriage contract to their own circumstances.

Pre-nups in the States can change everything about a marriage except the rights of children and abuse and domestic violence laws. You could, for instance, use one to specify that you want your estate to go to your own children, and her estate to go to her own children. Or you could specify that the partner who initiates a divorce has no right to property from the marriage. They can be a powerful tool to resove concerns that might prevent marriage or re-marriage, such as who gets the estate in the event of one's demise: one's new spouse, or one's children.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Besides, a pre-nup can't keep a real ***** out of court.
 

CaptainXeroid

Following Christ
angellous_evangellous said:
My wife and I had a pre-nup : "till death..."
Excellent point, and I concur! My philosophy is that if you think you need a prenuptial agreement, then you don't have the correct mind set to make a marriage work.

Back on Jan 21, 2006, my wife, RaceKitty:hugkiss: and I celebrated 11 years of wedded bliss. We've had our ups and downs, but we remain commited to live up to our vows.

I'm not saying it's easy, but then nothing that is really worthwhile in life should be.
 

evearael

Well-Known Member
The practical side of me would encourage a pre-nup, the romantic side of me would not. I think Judaism has the right idea in requiring a pre-nup of sorts (ketubah) because it takes the pressure of the couple to choose between practicality and romance.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
evearael said:
The practical side of me would encourage a pre-nup, the romantic side of me would not. I think Judaism has the right idea in requiring a pre-nup of sorts (ketubah) because it takes the pressure of the couple to choose between practicality and romance.

I think you echo my thoughts (the romantic side of me doesn't like the idea). But from a Religious point of view, I feel it comes accross as a contradiction to the marriage vows.
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
Isn't it true that the only time a couple thinks of a pre nup is if one of them is loaded? Paul McCartney is worth half a billion dollars or somewhere in that range last time I heard. I cant imagine someone that wealthy not protecting themselves. But, if my husband would have asked for a pre nup...I would have thought long and hard about marrying him. Seems like a bad way to start a marriage if you are just an average Joe. And doesn't say a whole lot about your commitment emotionally if you need some paper work to back up your marriage. Sounds like you would want a way out later. Just my 2c. :)
 

evearael

Well-Known Member
if my husband would have asked for a pre nup...I would have thought long and hard about marrying him.
Agreed. My family tried to badger me into one, but I refused. It just didn't feel right. I'm a hopeless romantic... to me marriage is sacred and eternal.
 

Ðanisty

Well-Known Member
I think pre-nups are important if someone has a lot to lose, especially if this is their second marriage.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
SoyLeche said:
In my case, it was kinda moot - neither of us came into the marriage with much to our names.

Same here. So if my husband wanted something of value, it's probably be my thousands(and I'm not kidding) of books. Neither of us had much, in the case of celebrities and people who earn a lot, I think a pre-nup is a very good idea.

If you got nothing, well, then golly-gee, what are you going to pre-nup over?:D
 
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