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Well that was silly of them, wasn't it.oracle said:What do you think about the new Pope's religious conservatism? There has been mixed reactions by Catholics about the new Pope. Some have made comments that they were expecting a more liberal Pope.
I don't particularly like it. Nor do I like the gross irresponsibility, if not dishonesty, suggested by the use of inflamatory thread titles left wholly unsubstantiated in the opening thread.oracle said:What do you think about the new Pope's religious conservatism?
I don't for a minute think that all Catholics think that way Deut, at least I hope they don't..Deut. 32.8 said:I don't particularly like it. Nor do I like the gross irresponsibility, if not dishonesty, suggested by the use of inflamatory thread titles left wholly unsubstantiated in the opening thread.
As for the new Pope, according to the Gay City NewsIn 1986, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, head of the Vatican's Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (responsible for defining Roman Catholic doctrine and keeping Catholic clergy and theologians in line) issued a "Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons". Ratzinger wrote that a homosexual orientation, even if the person is totally celibate, is a "tendency" toward an "intrinsic moral evil". Moreover, a homosexual inclination is both an "objective disorder" and a "moral disorder", which is "contrary to the creative wisdom of God". "Special concern and pastoral attention should be directed towards those who have this condition, lest they be led to believe that the living out of this orientation in homosexual activity is a morally acceptable option. It is not." Ratzinger's 1986 Letter concludes that pastoral care for homosexual persons should include "the assistance of the psychological, sociological and medical sciences", and that "all support should be withdrawn from any organisations which seek to undermine the teachings of the Church, which are ambigous about it, or which ignore it entirely".Declaring homosexuality to be an intrinsically evil moral disorder is, in my opinion, disgusting and devoid of scientific backing. Respect for Catholics can not and should not extend to respect for such backwardness.
Let's put it this way... If I had been a Cardinal, I'd have voted for SOGFPP, or a couple of others on here. They may think it to be wrong, but they're not like this Pope.I don't for a minute think that all Catholics think that way Deut, at least I hope they don't..
That is not the point. The point is that their "god inspired leader" who claims to be the closest human contact to God does and he says this is so. Divinely inspired messages of hate are not reasonable or tolorable and this new pope has just started off on a very poor foot. Many Catholics don't see this as the pope saying this but as GOD saying gays are evil. And many of them believe anything and everything they hear from God.michel said:I don't for a minute think that all Catholics think that way Deut, at least I hope they don't..
michel,michel said:At the risk of upsetting my Orthodox friends on the forum, I think that to restrict help to a group not recognized by the church is totally against humane moral precepts. This is my opinion; I am not anti-Catholic, but I am anti pejudice.
I was listening to my catholic co-workers say the same thing yesterday at work TVOR. I would propose that there is no such thing as a "liberal" catholic church. The catholic church is not liberal or conservative it just "is". Meaning that God says they do end of story. They do not operate on opinions but on God inspired facts and as such their is nothing to research rationalize, weight the pros or cons of or debate. God says, Pope hears, Pope says, they do. In perfect theory. Looking at it from a theistic viewpoint there is nothing to conserve or liberate (conservative vs liberal). Only God's message to convey. It makes it all the more tragic that God informed the pope that Gays are evil. I hope God doesn't inform the pope that evil must be destoryed at this point.The Voice of Reason said:It would appear that this Pope wishes to take the Catholic Church in a very conservative direction. As the head of his church, it is his perogative to do so, just as it is the perogative for members of any religion to embrace or rebuke the teachings of those embued with such power.
Without a doubt, this type of leadership will have an impact on some that will look for answers in other religions or belief systems.
TVOR
I understand why you make this point, Robtex, but my statement about "leading the Catholic Church in a more conservative direction" is meant to convey "conservative" relative to society's view of conservative or liberal. I might get some debate on the point, but I would venture that most people (in America, at least) view the Catholic Church as a conservative institution. Some would pigeonhole it as Ultra-conservative, but like all such estimations, it is relative.robtex said:... The catholic church is not liberal or conservative it just "is"...
Frubals, James.IacobPersul said:you cannot be Orthodox, Catholic or any other kind of Christian and unrepentently and consciously go on sinning in any way, whether that be through the temptation of anger, sexual attraction to your own sex, or anything else.
It was a topic on the Bill OReiley show, I had watched it on the AFN news channel where Bill OReiley had interviewed a nun who had been silenced by the Pope for ministering to Gays.Deut 32. 8. said:Nor do I like the gross irresponsibility, if not dishonesty, suggested by the use of inflamatory thread titles left wholly unsubstantiated in the opening thread.
It is if the gay indivdual rejects the notion that homosexulaity is a sin. If he/she does than he/she is disliked by the church as their is relative assurity that he/she will not change or modifiy your lifestyle accordingly. I would say the opposite of your qoute...reject the lifestyle and you reject the person. Furthermore anyone who is straight but sees homosexulaity as not morally negative the church will in ideology reject them too as they have committed the sin of acceptance in lew of the chruches stance until such time that those indivduals come to their senses and see homosexuality for the evil that it is.Melody said:It seems the church is saying they reject the sin...not the sinner. That's not hate or intolerance.
I concur wholeheartedly! I cannot in good conscience vote in this poll because I don't have the rest of the story. With several active threads regarding Pope Benedict XVI, I've lost track of who posted what where and am now rather confused. I'll be away from the 'puter tonight and all day tomorrow...maybe by then, my head will stop spinning.Deut. 32.8 said:I don't particularly like it. Nor do I like the gross irresponsibility, if not dishonesty, suggested by the use of inflamatory thread titles left wholly unsubstantiated in the opening thread...
She simply had been ministering to gays and lesbians. From what I had watched, the main concern was about the Pope's conservatism, there wasn't great emphasis on the silencing. The point of my topic is to discuss if people think that was a correct action, and what is their opinion of his conservatism, not to be critisized for being irresponsible and dishonest.Sunstone said:Oracle, can you give us some specifics about the silencing of the nun? What exactly was she doing that the new pope prohibited?
The topic is simple, he silenced a nun for ministering to gays and lesbians. What more do you need to understand that he silenced a nun for ministering to gays and lesbians? It's a clear reflection of his conservatism.CaptainXeroid said:I concur wholeheartedly! I cannot in good conscience vote in this poll because I don't have the rest of the story. With several active threads regarding Pope Benedict XVI, I've lost track of who posted what where and am now rather confused. I'll be away from the 'puter tonight and all day tomorrow...maybe by then, my head will stop spinning.
So, if I understand you correctly, the nun was told not to minister to gays and lesbians?oracle said:She simply had been ministering to gays and lesbians. From what I had watched, the main concern was about the Pope's conservatism, there wasn't great emphasis on the silencing. The point of my topic is to discuss if people think that was a correct action, and what is their opinion of his conservatism, not to be critisized for being irresponsible and dishonest.