oracle
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Yes, she was told not to minister to gays and lesbians.Sunstone said:So, if I understand you correctly, the nun was told not to minister to gays and lesbians?
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Yes, she was told not to minister to gays and lesbians.Sunstone said:So, if I understand you correctly, the nun was told not to minister to gays and lesbians?
On the face of it, that seems to me outrageous.oracle said:Yes, she was told not to minister to gays and lesbians.
How about a link to the story? What exactly was said and when? Is this a first hand account? Were you there when he spoke to the nun?oracle said:...What more do you need...
Thats understandable, but there's no need to get this point across by saying otherwise.CaptainXeroid said:How about a link to the story? What exactly was said and when? Is this a first hand account? Were you there when he spoke to the nun?
I'm not defending or condemning him or the nun. Nothing personal, but when you post a poll asking us to pass judgement on the man, you really need to provide more information than 'it happened' for people to make an educated decision.
Given all that's been said, it seems more than reasonable to assume that this ia a half-truth or outright lie and, in either case, being promulgated in a totally irresponsible manner.oracle said:Yes, she was told not to minister to gays and lesbians.
Do you have more information on this? How was she ministering to gays in a way that went against church beliefs?oracle said:It was a topic on the Bill OReiley show, I had watched it on the AFN news channel where Bill OReiley had interviewed a nun who had been silenced by the Pope for ministering to Gays.
Most of the links led nowhere. I read what was there but still am not sure exactly what she was doing that led to her being censured.SOGFPP said:
Specifically, what do you think makes a church "purer"? Are we all not sinners? Is perfection a moral standard? Can anybody be morally perfect then?The Voice of Reason said:It was written in an article on MSNBC today that the new Pope has stated that he wants a "smaller and purer" Catholic Church.
Since I still can't seem to find the whole story on specifically what this nun did, and since the Vatican has not said that sinners can't be ministered to, I'm going to have to assume...until further info is found...that in some way the nun was advocating that it wasn't a sin to be a homosexual which seems to be against catholic beliefs.oracle said:So you guys basically believe, that in the defense or preservation of the Catholic faith, these actions were justified? What about Catholics that are homosexuals, should they find another faith? Did Jesus's message emphasize on homosexuality? Are we not all sinners? Does not the bible say that if a person claims they have no sin, they are not from God? And if all sin is the same in God's eyes which the bible claims, isn't lying just as bad as homosexuality? It therefore doesn't matter what sin you do, it still makes you a sinner.
Yes, Jesus did minister to sinners, but even he said "go and sin no more." Rejecting the sin is not being intolerant.oracle said:But I'm just wondering, do actions like this preserve Jesus's message of love, who sat with the tax collectors and sinners and ministered to them? Why be intolerant to other sinners when we are all sinful? Although the thread topic sounds biased, my point is not to be against the Pope but to question the logic of such a perspective. I think you all have good anwers concerning the matter.
Absolutely. The Catholic Church has every right to define Catholicism and those who do not like the resulting definition have every right to reject it from the outside. There is no inalienable right, God-given or not, to be a Catholic nun operation as a Catholic nun in persistent and fundamental opposition to Catholic dogma.oracle said:So you guys basically believe, that in the defense or preservation of the Catholic faith, these actions were justified?