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Polish president among 96 killed in plane crash

JMorris

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SMOLENSK, Russia (Reuters) - Poland's President Lech Kaczynski, its central bank head and the country's military chief were among 96 people killed when their plane crashed in thick fog on its approach to a Russian airport on Saturday.
World | Russia
The president's wife and several other high-ranking government officials were also aboard the Tupolev Tu-154 that plunged into a forest about two km (1.3 miles) from the airport in the western Russian city of Smolensk.
"The political consequences will be long-term and possibly will change the entire future landscape of Polish politics," said Jacek Wasilewski, professor at the Higher School of Social Psychology in Warsaw.
Polish government spokesman Pawel Gras said the country would hold elections after the death of Kaczynski, who was 60 and had been president since 2005.
"In line with the constitution, we will have to hold an early presidential poll," Gras said. "For now, the speaker of the lower house of parliament, Bronislaw Komorowski, is automatically ... the acting president."
Russian television showed the smoldering fuselage and fragments of the plane scattered in a forest. A Reuters reporter saw a broken wing some distance from the rest of the aircraft.
Russia's Emergencies Ministry said 96 people were aboard the government plane, including 88 members of a Polish delegation en route to commemorate Poles killed in mass murders in the town of Katyn under orders from Soviet leader Josef Stalin in 1940.
Earlier reports had said 132 people were aboard. Smolensk regional governor Sergei Antufyev and Polish state news agency PAP said there were no survivors.
Pilot error was a possible reason for the crash, said Andrei Yevseyenkov, spokesman for the Smolensk local government. Local officials said the plane had clipped treetops on its way down.
A Russian mission control official who had been present during conversations with the pilot told Reuters the pilot had ignored advice.
"The pilot was advised to fly to Moscow or Minsk because of heavy fog, but he still decided to land. No one should have been landing in that fog," he said, on condition his name was not published.
FLOWERS AND CANDLES
Polish Justice Minister Krzysztof Kwiatkowski said he would order a special inquiry into the crash.
Church services were hastily held throughout Poland. In Warsaw people started gathering outside the presidential palace to lay flowers and light candles.
"I'm all broken up ... it cannot be expressed in words," said Ewa Robaczewska.
Among the other casualties of the crash were Kaczynski's wife Maria, along with Slawomir Skrzypek, 47, who had been central bank governor since 2007, the chief of Poland's military Franciszek Gagor and Deputy Foreign Minister Andrzej Kremer.
Some relatives of victims of the Katyn massacres were also on board, said a Polish government official in Smolensk.
Thousands of Polish prisoners of war and intellectuals were murdered at Katyn by Soviet forces in spring 1940 in an enduring symbol for Poles of their suffering under Soviet rule.
(Additional reporting by Robin Paxton, Guy Faulconbridge, Maria Kiselyova, Dmitry Sergeyev and Conor Humphries in Moscow; Agata Nalecz, Gabriela Baczynska and Chris Borowski in Warsaw; writing by Robin Paxton; editing by Andrew Roche)
Polish president among 96 killed in plane crash | Reuters
 

zenzero

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Friends JMorris,

Yes, its in the news for sometime.
Who knows there will be an earthquake and can myself be a victim with thousands.
Every form has its limitations they keep changing.
Being a part of eternal life, such comings and goings needs to be accepted as a way of life. Rest of the details are just an excuse for the mind.

Love & rgds
 

JMorris

Democratic Socialist
Friends JMorris,

Yes, its in the news for sometime.
Who knows there will be an earthquake and can myself be a victim with thousands.
Every form has its limitations they keep changing.
Being a part of eternal life, such comings and goings needs to be accepted as a way of life. Rest of the details are just an excuse for the mind.

Love & rgds

i have no idea what any of that means. but im sure its something nice.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
In general I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I would be pretty suspicious of foul play if I were a citizen of Poland.
 

KatNotKathy

Well-Known Member
Condolences to Poland...but why did you have so many important people on the same plane? Do we do that in America too? I figure it'd be better to spread them out a bit so you're government doesn't get decapitated in the unlikely event of a plane crash.
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Condolences to Poland...but why did you have so many important people on the same plane? Do we do that in America too? I figure it'd be better to spread them out a bit so you're government doesn't get decapitated in the unlikely event of a plane crash.

Condolences as well to Poland Im very sorry for your loss..

And I was wondering the same things as Kat.

Like I dont think our President is allowed to fly in the same plane as the vice..and then throw in the speaker of the house..

Anyway Im curious to know..you have an official but tempory president the leader of parliment right?

Why isnt he fininshing your presidents term?Why do you need to elect a new president?

Love

Dallas
 

JMorris

Democratic Socialist
the Prime Minister is the primary executive, not the president. the polish version of president is not the same as america's.

The politics of Poland take place in the framework of a parliamentary representative democratic republic, whereby the Prime Minister is the head of government and of a multi-party system. Executive power is exercised by the government. Legislative power is vested in both the government and the two chambers of parliament, the Sejm and the Senate. The Judiciary is independent of the executive and the legislature.

Executive power is exercised by the government, which consists of a council of ministers led by the Prime Minister. Its members are typically chosen from a majority coalition in the lower house of parliament (the Sejm), although exceptions to this rule are not uncommon. The government is formally announced by the president, and must pass a motion of confidence in the Sejm within two weeks.

Legislative power is vested in both the government and the two chambers of parliament, Sejm and Senate. Members of parliament are elected by proportional representation, with the proviso that non-ethnic-minority parties must gain at least 5% of the national vote to enter the lower house. Currently four parties are represented. Parliamentary elections occur at least every four years.

The president, as the head of state, has the power to veto legislation passed by parliament, but otherwise has a mostly representative role. Presidential elections occur every 5 years.

The political system is defined in the Polish Constitution, which also guarantees a wide range of individual freedoms.

The judicial branch plays a minor role in politics, apart from the Constitutional Tribunal, which can annul laws that violate the freedoms guaranteed in the constitution.
Politics of Poland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
the Prime Minister is the primary executive, not the president. the polish version of president is not the same as america's.

O.K I see..so it would be similar say if one of our congressmen died..no one steps in and takes over his term ..you elect another one to fill his spot?

So the prime minister in Poland is still in "charge"?

I guess its the "term" that throws me off..President is highest ranking here..(as you know..LOL)...

Love

Dallas
 

.lava

Veteran Member
really?

why?

It was bad fog like really bad and the pilot was told not to try and land ..and he did anyway..

Who made the fog?

Love

Dalals

oh gosh i love fog..well any information about how pilot responded? i read news, they say that pilot decided to land but noone says why? so i don't get it

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DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
oh gosh i love fog..well any information about how pilot responded? i read news, they say that pilot decided to land but noone says why? so i don't get it

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I dont know "why" but this is what Im going on..

Pilot error was a possible reason for the crash, said Andrei Yevseyenkov, spokesman for the Smolensk local government. Local officials said the plane had clipped treetops on its way down.
A Russian mission control official who had been present during conversations with the pilot told Reuters the pilot had ignored advice.
"The pilot was advised to fly to Moscow or Minsk because of heavy fog, but he still decided to land. No one should have been landing in that fog," he said, on condition his name was not published.

Love


Dallas
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
oh gosh i love fog..well any information about how pilot responded? i read news, they say that pilot decided to land but noone says why? so i don't get it

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I love fog too..but not when Im driving a car..or landing in an airplane.. :)

I think fog is pretty..

Love

Dallas
 

JMorris

Democratic Socialist
the idea of Russian involvement in the crash simply makes no sense. they had nothing to gain from it
 

.lava

Veteran Member
I dont know "why" but this is what Im going on..



Love


Dallas

yes i read that part. i need to know reasons why. because this news would still remain "right" even in fact pilot never heard warnings at all. i don't know but i do wish it was an accident, though i would find any airplane crash that kills presidents and such little suspicious. but it is life, people die. so maybe it is an accident

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DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
yes i read that part. i need to know reasons why. because this news would still remain "right" even in fact pilot never heard warnings at all. i don't know but i do wish it was an accident, though i would find any airplane crash that kills presidents and such little suspicious. but it is life, people die. so maybe it is an accident

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Well Im hoping its an accident too..Anyone that would do that on purpose is ..well evil.. It wasnt just the president either it was 96 souls..Including I believe his wife..

My father died in an airplane crash and "only " 4 people died(every one on board) it was a small plane and he wasnt the president.But he was important to me and my siblings and most of all my mother.Im not taking it as "everyone dies" either..Foul play that would have caused it is insideous and murder.

All Im saying is the fact it was "heavy fog" which I would want them to prove(by the way) can have something to do with plane crashes during landing.

Love

Dallas
 
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