If you were doing those things would you be loving God or hating god?
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Peace and security
- Thread starter savagewind
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1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ."
We KNOW that they who are doing those things are not loving Yahweh with the whole heart nor are they loving their neighbor. We know that. It is a fact. We are not equal to God to know what Yahweh loves or what Yahweh hates. So why not keep it simple?
We KNOW that they who are doing those things are not loving Yahweh with the whole heart nor are they loving their neighbor. We know that. It is a fact. We are not equal to God to know what Yahweh loves or what Yahweh hates. So why not keep it simple?
kjw47
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I had meant that the teachers, that an individual is being submissive to will be giving an account of the one they are teaching. Yes you are correct 100% always obey God over men.
Who do the teachers give an account to?
kjw47
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Who gives an account of the teachers to Jesus?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Hate isn't the antithesis of love. Ambivalence is the antithesis of love.
kjw47
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jtartar
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savagewind,
I perdeive that you are doing much studying of your scriptures.
Please allow me to explain something to you which only a few people understand.
Those words written by Paul at 1Thes 5:3 are for the time of the end.
Go to the book of Rev 17th chapter. Here we find John recording some strange things, a seven headed wild beast with a woman sitting on top, called a Harlot, and names Babylon the Great, the Mother of the Harlots and of the abominations of the earth. It is extremely important that you understand exactly who this Great Harlot and Her daughters are. Babylon the Great is the World Empire of False Religion.
First think about this; the world is divided up into three great entities, Politics, Commerce, and Religion. The Kings of the earth mentioned at verse 2 is Politics, being whatever the head of each government is, Presidents, Prime Ministerts, Dictators, or whatever they are called.
Consider the discription of Babylon, riding on the back of the beast, the beast is all the governments on earth, with the head being whichever government is the world empire at the time. The reason for seven heads is; there have been seven nations that had dealings with God's people in the Bible, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Meads and Persions, Greece, Rome and the United States and Britian. Religion has always tried to ride on the back of politics in order to keep her power and the Kings had committed adultery with her because Religion and Politics should not have relations with each other. Jesus said : My Kingdom is no part of this world!! The beasts mentioned have received their power and authority from the Dragon, Satan the Devil.
Notice that this Harlot is dressed in royal dress, and that she is drunk with the blood of the people of God. Religion has always been the ones who persecuted God's people, and the daughters of the Harlot are all the many different religions throughout the earth. Can you think of anything that is more of abominations than all these false religions who are teaching different things not found in the Holy Bible.
If you look at Rev 17:15-18, you will see that the beast attacks Babylon the Grteat and destroys her completely. This beast that attacks Babylon at this time will be The United Nations, who will be given power by the ten Kings, making up all the governments on earth. Babylon the Great is false religion, the one causing most of the problems on earth. This is why the UN will attack and destroy Her.
After she is destroyed the U.N. will then say: Peace and Security.
Then the U. N. will attack true religion, and then instant destruction will be on the ones who try to destroy God's people. This will bring on Armageddon, Rev 19:11-21.
More about Babylon The Great and the Kings of the earth are mentioned in the whole chapter 18, of Revelation. Three entities are mentioned. Babylon is destroyed.
Who do you say her daughters are?
Ancient Babylon practiced false religion. Those non-biblical false religious practices became spread world wide into a 'greater religious Babylon' or 'Babylon the Great'.
Since the Babylonian harlot practices false religious practices, then those who are her practicing 'daughters' would be the symbolic 'daughter of a strange or foreign false god'.
- Malachi 2 v 11
jtartar says "it is extremely important I know what Babylon and her daughters are" Do you think jtartar meant it's extremely important to know what Babylon the Great is? I wonder if adding "and her daughters" was a mistake? I don't understand your answer URAVIP2ME. I'm sorry. Is Babylon the Great what is considered false religion overall and the practices of it are considered her daughters?
I once had the theory that the daughters of Babylon the Great were the organized false religious institutions in the world. Now I don't really care what it is. Then jtartar posted that it is extremely important to know. I don't know.
Please notice at 1st Thess. 5 vs 2,3 isn't it 'before' and not after ?
When 'they' [the powers-that-be ] are saying 'Peace and Security' or 'Peace and Safety', then destruction comes. Destruction first to those playing false to Christ.
That cry of Peace is a precursor to the coming great tribulation [ Rev. 7 v 14 ]
First, false Christendom is attacked, then the rest of ''Babylon the Great'
[which is represented by the world's symbolic false religious 'queen' of Rev. 18 vs 7,9].
Then, the political 'kings' will see only true Christians left thinking they can also destroy them, but before they can do that they will find it's the words from Jesus' mouth that will destroy them.
-Isaiah 11 vs 3,4; Rev. 19 vs 11,15
Then, Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.
We hear the expression 'a chip off the old block' as meaning like father like son, or like mother like daughter. I know of no 'daughter' mentioned in Revelation, but the female false worshipers at Malachi [2 v 11] are referred to as daughters.
If we trace mankind's religious family tree back to its roots in ancient Babylon there we find false religious practices. As the people migrated from that area they took with them their false religious ideas and concepts and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon, or termed as 'Babylon the Great' which are all the world's groups of false religions including Christendom [so-called Christian in name only ].
That is why today we see overlapping similarities in the world's religious groups.
A religious syncretism that mixes biblical with non-biblical but taught as Scripture.
Only the first-century teachings of Jesus is biblical Christianity.
Jesus forewarned us about the rest in Matthew chapter 7.
I think it is true that the cry of "peace and security" can be earth shaking only if more than a small few people believe it. Most people when they hear "peace and security" will think go ahead fool yourself, your not fooling me.
You make a good point because Jeremiah [ 6 v 14; 8 v 11 ] does teach us that the time will come when people will be saying, 'Peace, Peace when there is no peace'.
Apparently the stating of coming 'Peace' at 1st Thess. 5 vs 2,3 will look rosy to many.
I just want to say that it is something I see happening now. If it is now it can't be "coming". It reminds me of the warning at Matthew 24:39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the presence of the Son of Man
Another good point about not being aware.
But it's the 'harvest time' or 'time of separation' of Matthew [25 vs 31,32] that has Not yet arrived. The genuine 'wheat' Christians are still growing among the fake 'weed/tares'.
The humble meek 'sheep' are still among the haughty 'goats'.
The 'good news of God's kingdom' is still being proclaimed on an international scale today [Matthew 24 v 14; Acts 1 v 8 ], and will continue til the time of the great tribulation - [ Rev. 7 v 14 ].
This is what I have gathered:
The time of separation is not measured by man's measurement. It has happened since the beginning of man. Sheep are those for God's will be done. There can be haughty sheep imo. There have been many faithful ones considered sheep in God's eyes even before Christ. They are FOR LIFE. It has been interpreted as they GET life, but I think that is not what it means.
Not all goats are haughty. Goats picture anyone who goes against the will of God by following falsely contrived stories or out of fear. They are pictured at Christ's left hand and they are for destruction. Again it does not mean they absolutely will be destroyed. They are not for life so they are for the opposite of life (see that they are at Christ's hand).
Wheat and weeds do not picture people. They picture what we let grow in our minds. You see how weeds can choke wheat? People cannot choke people. Ideas can.
The great tribulation pictures all the events of wayward man starting with the tribulation of "Cain". Or the personage called Cain. Genesis 4:11-15
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