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Our greatest stumbling blocks...

an anarchist

Your local anarchist.
In your spiritual practice, what is your greatest stumbling block which prevents you from progressing towards your goals?

I'll start.

My physical health is my worst stumbling block. My habits are poor.

Plenty of tobacco for 8 years. It's the last substance I have to kick...

Food/drink habits have always been bad.

It is obvious why this is bad. I am steering myself to an early death. Early death means less time to follow my ambitions.

@Aštra’el I have seen you say that you have a god of fitness. Can you share me details on this god?

I have the means to get fit, but I suffer from a severe lack of motivation to take care of myself. However, I believe it would motivate me plenty to have a god to offer my pursuit to get swole.


Anywho, what is your greatest stumbling block in your spiritual pursuits, denizens of RF?
 

vulcanlogician

Well-Known Member
I think Set interferes with my spiritual advancement a great deal. Set is just an all-around lame god. Sorry if that offends anyone. But it's true.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
Honestly, (this isn't really a joke), my best and worst spiritual choices might be becoming an atheist. I feel that it'll both open my eyes to the world around me, and close my eyes to certain very faint possibilities (which may not always be false).
 
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lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Honestly, (this isn't really a joke), my best and worst spiritual choices might be becoming an atheist. I feel that it'll both open my eyes to the world around me, and close my eyes to certain very faint possibilities (which may not always be false).

You're an atheist now?
Why for?!?!
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
You're an atheist now?
Why for?!?!

The three main reasons are:

1. The amount of magical thinking I was doing while polytheist wasn't doing me a whole lot of good. Sure, I might have had a lot of fun talking to others about these things. But I realized that letting your own creativity and imagination "control you", if you will, rather than controlling it, may not be the right thing for me at this time.

2. Solitary Wicca becomes a lonely and hard practice (in my opinion). Long story there.

3. I've realized I disagree with some specifics when it comes to the definition of "gods", and how it applies to believing in them.

There are other reasons, too. But I do concede that "Religion might be right for some people. I just couldn't find a path that worked for me."
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
The three main reasons are:

1. The amount of magical thinking I was doing while polytheist wasn't doing me a whole lot of good. Sure, I might have had a lot of fun talking to others about these things. But I realized that letting your own creativity and imagination "control you", if you will, rather than controlling it, may not be the right thing for me at this time.

2. Solitary Wicca becomes a lonely and hard practice (in my opinion). Long story there.

3. I've realized I disagree with some specifics when it comes to the definition of "gods", and how it applies to believing in them.

There are other reasons, too. But I do concede that "Religion might be right for some people. I just couldn't find a path that worked for me."

Hmmm...you don't smell like an atheist. But anyways...welcome to the non-club.

For what it's worth, you can totally separate religious practice from theistic belief. Or belief in a deistic God, which makes it easier to understand when he fails to listen to your prayers...ahem...
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
Hmmm...you don't smell like an atheist. But anyways...welcome to the non-club.

Heh. I know it comes as a surprise to some people, because I've argued with atheists in Debate threads in the past. But my perception was more it was person A on side C arguing against person B on side D. Neither of which were me. And I ended up arguing with person B and side D due to being on the same side as side C at the time.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Heh. I know it comes as a surprise to some people, because I've argued with atheists in Debate threads in the past.

Oh, I argue with atheists. Why wouldn't I?

But my perception was more it was person A on side C arguing against person B on side D. Neither of which were me. And I ended up arguing with person B and side D due to being on the same side as side C at the time.

I keep things simple. I just argue with them when they're wrong. :)
 

Ella S.

*temp banned*
I can't overcome the strong temptations of lust. My slutty heart begs for kinky fun.

No, not really. Actually, I struggle the most with desiring worldly achievement. It's less out of pride and more out of a feeling that I shouldn't allow myself to feel good about myself until I do something more with my life.

Except I'm already a published author (multiple books) and I've contributed to various fields of research, despite spending a significant chunk of my life either bedridden or homeless. It seems like no amount of achievement will ever really be good enough for me. I do have some concrete goals, but I'm also pretty sure that once I reach them I'm just going to shift the goalposts even further like I already did with writing my books.

Sometimes I realize I'm becoming too obsessive. I'm a bit of a workaholic and I have to force myself to take mandatory breaks. I'm trying to learn to just relax, but it's not easy when I'm still struggling with PTSD from my experiences. I like working because it distracts me from this mental anguish I feel constantly, but I know I have to process the pain before it will ever fully go away.
 

Exaltist Ethan

Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
@Ella S. Mentioned something I said on a different thread, about how soda is unhealthy and is going to kill me. Yes, I do have a poor diet filled with chemicals, additives and sugar. But honestly, @Xavier Graham , it isn't cigarettes neither junk food that makes people less spiritual. Neither stops anyone from believing and worshipping God. Yes, it will lead to the grave sooner, but that doesn't mean while you are alive you cannot be a spiritual person with poor consumption habits. Which is why in general the reason I wonder why you think poor diet prevents spirituality. It doesn't. At all, actually. There's plenty of Christian smokers and plenty of vegan atheists out there...

But, to actually answer your question, I'm going to say, that the lack of community for the syntheistic and pantheist communities really make it difficult for me to find likeminded individuals and prevents me from fully realizing my own spiritual habits. Of course, I have met people who think in the similar vein as me, and these people often think highly of me - they tend to be part of the spiritual transhumanist crowd. People like Guilio Prisco, Martine Rothblatt, Cometan, among others, highly respect and value my efforts to advance modern theology. And I've been thinking about writing a dissertation of my theological beliefs, however, because the community for divine knowledge is consumed by Christians, I don't think my efforts would really go anywhere and even if I had written something long enough, I would be viewed as an outsider to most religions and theologies and not respected as a result.

I do not want to be a minister, ultimately. During my UU heights I was thinking possibly going through their program and becoming one, but ultimately what I've wanted to do for a profession is to become a software engineer. It's why I went to college. And my disability, a severe case of bipolar disorder, that needs three medications to handle, has pretty much made any effort in this field impossible. But in spirituality, I actually become an atheist if I'm not properly medicated, focused mostly on my feelings instead of my surroundings. My surroundings explain God to me. My setup was made by myself and helps me do various tasks throughout the day. That is in part in how I realize that God is becoming and being created by us.

So, my bipolar does affect my spirituality, and my poor diet will probably lead to a quick death in my 60's. However, the lack of community that I experience as someone who practices modern theology is the primary reason why I haven't truly progressed further in my studies. There really isn't much books or scripture about Earthseed, Terasem, syntheism, etc etc etc. I've had to wing a lot of topics and discussions and learn to think for myself because the religion I choose to follow and practice doesn't give me rules, instructions on how to live or even how to create God. It is because of that fact that I developed Exaltism, a theology, philosophy or way of life that actually not only explains syntheism but fulfills it by explaining how to create God from that theology.

Most people don't get or understand this. I remember @Evangelicalhumanist looking at my charts about Exaltism and appearing to be confused by it. I tried my best to make it as exoteric as possible, but unfortunately explaining all of this and how it relates to us actually makes it very esoteric in nature. I am both an Earthseed shaper and gnostic, in fact, general gnosticism and Earthseed together actually forms most of my opinions on theology and explains the vast majority of Exaltism. You could say I'm an Earthseed Gnostic - that itself explains Exaltism pretty succinctly.

It will be hundreds of years before syntheism as a theology is a widely respected, and accepted, field in spirituality. Simply put, I was born in a time where theology demands focus on tradition rather than progression, and because of this, my points of view will always be disrespected by those who follow ancient creeds and dogmas rather than common sense ideas and principles to guide every day life.

I'll make it short.

TL;DR Version
- My spirituality stumbles because of the time I exist. Because the idea is so new and novel in its theological approach, nobody truly respects or understands it yet.

And now that I understand myself more, that Exaltism is essentially Earthseed Gnosticism, I'm going to edit my religious field to reflect that. I truly understand that since I've found the proper terminology to describe it, I actually know God now - the opposite of agnosticism.
 
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an anarchist

Your local anarchist.
@Ella S. Mentioned something I said on a different thing, about how soda is unhealthy and is going to kill me. Yes, I do have a poor diet filled with chemicals, additives and sugar. But honestly, @Xavier Graham , it isn't cigarettes neither junk food that makes people less spiritual. Neither stops anyone from believing and worshipping God. Yes, it will lead to the grave sooner, but that doesn't mean while you are alive you cannot be a spiritual person with poor consumption habits. Which is why in general the reason I wonder why you think poor diet prevents spirituality. It doesn't. At all, actually. There's plenty of Christian smokers and plenty of vegan atheists out there...
I suppose the brain is a receiver. It can receive information from the Higher Intelligence. By drinking soda everyday, it's like I'm throwing the receiver in the dirt. So it won't work as good. So yes, I can still be spirtual, but my capacity will be limited. The brain is the heart of us, if you know what I mean.
 

Exaltist Ethan

Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
I suppose the brain is a receiver. It can receive information from the Higher Intelligence. By drinking soda everyday, it's like I'm throwing the receiver in the dirt. So it won't work as good. So yes, I can still be spirtual, but my capacity will be limited. The brain is the heart of us, if you know what I mean.

I don't find this is the case with my syntheism and pantheism. If anything, soda damages the body and not the mind. I feel sluggish when I drink a lot of soda, and my body reflects it on the walks I take. I can still pretty much perceive anything I wish to understand no matter how poor my diet is. But taking two-hour walks is going to feel like pain afterwards. I remember in gym class we did cardio and after eating Halloween candy my body was severely stunted by the candy I ate. Mentally I was still fully intact. Yes, there is a correlation between body and mind, and being healthy in one helps the other considerably. I believe that. It's just that from my understanding medications for my brain primarily affect my brain, whereas food and exercise affects my body more. I'm not saying there isn't some truth to what you are saying, that's why I gave your post a "useful" frubal, but, nobody has flunked a test before on the simple premise that they ate too much, ate junk food or didn't exercise enough.
 

an anarchist

Your local anarchist.
It's just that from my understanding medications for my brain primarily affect my brain
Aye, I take bipolar meds too plus some. Im not sure if it affects my spirituality. I feel much less connected with the spiritual realm and much more grounded in "reality". Meds change your brains baseline, and perception changes. It is interesting that not being properly medicated makes you lean to atheism. I seem to have the opposite problem. My proper meds make me lean towards atheism, but I choose to believe in a higher source. When I'm "crazy" I experience God. It is hard to perceive what is real and what is not. Is anything real (lol)?
I'm not saying there isn't some truth to what you are saying, that's why I gave your post a "useful" frubal, but, nobody has flunked a test before on the simple premise that they ate too much, ate junk food or didn't exercise enough
I'm not trying to be debative here in interfaith, but I would disagree with you. You say nobody has flunked a test before due to poor diet (which I think prolonged poor diet could very well lead to someone being not intelligent enough to pass tests). But maybe your right. But still, people die because of poor diet. And perhaps death isn't the end of spirituality, but, perhaps life is our golden opportunity to advance spiritually.
 

JustGeorge

Not As Much Fun As I Look
Staff member
Premium Member
@Ella S. Mentioned something I said on a different thread, about how soda is unhealthy and is going to kill me. Yes, I do have a poor diet filled with chemicals, additives and sugar. But honestly, @Xavier Graham , it isn't cigarettes neither junk food that makes people less spiritual. Neither stops anyone from believing and worshipping God. Yes, it will lead to the grave sooner, but that doesn't mean while you are alive you cannot be a spiritual person with poor consumption habits. Which is why in general the reason I wonder why you think poor diet prevents spirituality. It doesn't. At all, actually. There's plenty of Christian smokers and plenty of vegan atheists out there...

You made my day with this. I beat myself up for far too long over my imperfections, not realizing the self criticism was preventing spiritual growth far more than a diet Mountain Dew or Hersey's with almonds. Doesn't mean I shouldn't ever give these up, but it doesn't mean I'll be spiritually 'stalled' until I do.

I would encourage you, though, not to feel you'll never progress without a community. I felt like that, too, and I still don't have a community. I am an incredibly social person in a very anti-social life, and sometimes this hinders me. But, sometimes I wonder if the difficulty facing it forces me to grow, to learn how to do things I'm uncomfortable with. I hope you find a community someday, but even if you don't, and you face setbacks, I hope you never find yourself hindered for too long.
 

Exaltist Ethan

Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
Aye, I take bipolar meds too plus some. Im not sure if it affects my spirituality. I feel much less connected with the spiritual realm and much more grounded in "reality". Meds change your brains baseline, and perception changes. It is interesting that not being properly medicated makes you lean to atheism. I seem to have the opposite problem. My proper meds make me lean towards atheism, but I choose to believe in a higher source. When I'm "crazy" I experience God. It is hard to perceive what is real and what is not. Is anything real (lol)?

I was told by a peer specialist that medication resets your brain to a time where you weren't mentally ill. As you develop and age, your brain gets larger, and when you take medication, it actually shuts down the parts of your brain that causes mental illness. It's kind of complicated, but, essentially, when you take psych medication you are essentially damaging synapsises from communicating with each other. When I was 14, just before I developed mental illness, I had developed my epiphany that led me to believe in Earthseed later on. As my brain developed later in life, I started to focus less on external perceptions and more on emotions, feelings, sex, etc. It was because of this that I developed erotomania.

When I take medication, it doesn't reset my brain to a point which I wasn't spiritual, but rather, it resets it to the height of my spirituality. This is why I have remained so spiritual since then, understanding and experiencing God on a daily basis because when I was 14, that's how I perceived reality. It seems like medications do the reverse for you, possibly because you were less spiritual growing up and became more spiritual over time? When I was really young I had no perception of God, until I had my epiphany that ultimately told me that the changes that occurs in things ultimately creates God. And since I've been alive and fully surrounded by those perceptions, I've only come to not only agree with that but strengthen its concept and idea.

But, that's me, not you.

I'm not trying to be debative here in interfaith, but I would disagree with you. You say nobody has flunked a test before due to poor diet (which I think prolonged poor diet could very well lead to someone being not intelligent enough to pass tests). But maybe your right. But still, people die because of poor diet. And perhaps death isn't the end of spirituality, but, perhaps life is our golden opportunity to advance spiritually.

Feel free to disagree with me.

I clearly remember once having a therapist who was more intelligent than me that was also an alcoholic and a chain smoker. His unhealthy habits didn't stop him from being what I perceived as a genius in both intelligence and how much he actually knew. He was twenty years older than me too.

I actually take an acne medication called minocycline that, accordingly to my former nurse practitioner, prevents degradation of the brain. And I actually feel different when I'm on it too.

You can't hide from death just because you eat healthy. Everybody will die someday. But my poor diet is how I enjoy life. I remember being in Whole Foods and I couldn't find anything I actually wanted to eat, because all of it is supposedly "healthy" for you. There's a reason why junk food tastes good - it provides your body with a lot of nutrition you actually need. Most people just eat too much of it. I limit my intake of these substances enough because on any given week I often take two walks that last two hours each, walking four miles, and if I notice that I'm feeling awful during the walk, I cut back on the tasty food and resort to a healthier diet. It's a balancing act. My diet is as omnivore-ish as possible. I try to eat and get a little bit of everything into it, and ultimately, that's probably healthier than people who stick to strict diets (unless they have an allergy).
 
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Ella S.

*temp banned*
@Ella S. Mentioned something I said on a different thread, about how soda is unhealthy and is going to kill me. Yes, I do have a poor diet filled with chemicals, additives and sugar. But honestly, @Xavier Graham , it isn't cigarettes neither junk food that makes people less spiritual. Neither stops anyone from believing and worshipping God. Yes, it will lead to the grave sooner, but that doesn't mean while you are alive you cannot be a spiritual person with poor consumption habits. Which is why in general the reason I wonder why you think poor diet prevents spirituality. It doesn't. At all, actually. There's plenty of Christian smokers and plenty of vegan atheists out there...

On one hand, I disagree because cardiovascular health and sleeping habits are tied to cognitive performance.

On the other hand, I agree, because these negative effects don't prevent you from practicing mental discipline, which is the heart of my spirituality at least. They're merely an added obstacle, but not necessarily one that can't be overcome. I think, in general, the effects are so minute that it doesn't even present itself as a significant obstacle, either, most of the time.
 
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