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One Dems Plan to Keep Trump from Presidency.

Pogo

Pogo

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Clizby Wampuscat said:
Do you think it is fair to make a law, then prosecute people that broke that new law prior to the new law being implemented?
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No Clizby, it is not even legal, BUT
As you were told last week, that is not what Raskin has proposed.
He proposed a resolution condemning Trumps actions around JAN 6 and an update to the law but nothing retroactive.
A resolution is not a law and has no force.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It Aint Necessarily So said:
Yes. For Trumpers, if it's Trump, it's OK.

I don't really understand that kind of thinking. It's not like he's family that one stands by right or wrong. This is pure tribalism - support the leader of the tribe and attack his detractors whatever either says or does, like a swarming hive.

Jimmy Kimmel did a segment recently in which he interviewed Trump supporters, and told them of something Trump did or said, but initially attributed it to Biden. The Trumpista predictably lambasted Biden, but were then told that it was actually Trump, and the same words or deeds suddenly became acceptable:

"Jimmy Kimmel exposed the hypocrisy of some Donald Trump fans in South Carolina with his “Debate and Switch” segment.​
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“We asked people who identified themselves as supporters of Donald Trump for their take on some of Joe Biden's more controversial actions and quotes. But what we didn’t tell them, at first, is that what we said wasn’t from Joe Biden. It was actually from Donald Trump,” the late-night host teed up the clip on Friday.​
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Kimmel’s crew asked Trump voters for their views on Biden’s (but actually Trump’s) suggestion that COVID could be cured with bright lights being shone inside the body, that not catching HIV in the 1980s was his personal Vietnam and more.​
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They each predictably slammed the current president.​
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But they had a wildly different opinion upon learning that Republican 2024 front-runner Trump ― and not Biden ― had actually done those things."​

Unfortunately, I couldn't find a copy of the segment, just articles like the one quoted above, but I do remember some of it. As noted above, one woman was told that Biden recommended treating Covid with strong internal lights, and she called him demented, but then upon finding out they were Trump's words, immediately praised that as interesting science. She seemed to have no insight at all on how that appears and didn't react like she had been tricked.

Another one mentioned involved telling a man that Biden cheated on his wife who had recently given birth to their son, it was with a porn star, and he paid her $130,000 in hush money. The man said that that made Biden unfit for office, but upon hearing that it was Trump who did that, he said, "So what? My father had affairs." Once again, this followed immediately with no time lost processing what had just happened, seeming to not understand that he had been played, and apparently unaware of the message he was sending about the way he thinks.

And we see that on these threads as well with Trump supporters. Nothing Trump does can be bad or wrong, and nothing Biden does can be good or right. That thinking is alien to me. I don't know what makes a person like that, but it's got to be something primal and instinctual, right out of Lord Of The Flies.

The liberal's brain works differently. He's married to an ideology, not a tribe. He doesn't mind calling out a Cuomo or declaiming Biden's reaction to Netanyahu if such people violate cherished principles in his estimation. It's like two strains of humanity coexisting, two very differently wired sets of brains.
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Challenge accepted!!

You do not even have to watch the whole thing. Skip to the nine minute mark:

 
The Sum of Awe

The Sum of Awe

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We Never Know said:
But Pence refused do it. So it would only be the same if Harris refused to do it.
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Out of curiosity, why would you want Trump to win if you admit that he really did try to convince Pence to rig the election, on top of everything else he did as listed in Evangelicalhumanist's post: One Dems Plan to Keep Trump from Presidency. - Would you really want somebody in office that is shady in that way?
 
Clizby Wampuscat

Clizby Wampuscat

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Tomef said:
You need to a better job of explaining why you think that is what is happening here. Some vague impression doesn’t make it worth starting a thread over, for that an explanation of situation and your opinion on it, with evidence and counter arguments, would be a start. Don’t embarrass yourself by just repeating what the cretinous conservative media over there tells you to think.
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It is in my original post. But have a great day!
 
Clizby Wampuscat

Clizby Wampuscat

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Pogo said:
No Clizby, it is not even legal, BUT
As you were told last week, that is not what Raskin has proposed.
He proposed a resolution condemning Trumps actions around JAN 6 and an update to the law but nothing retroactive.
A resolution is not a law and has no force.
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His intention is to remove Trump from the ballot. He says this himself.

  • Raskin suggested the bill would be paired with a resolution declaring Jan. 6 an "insurrection" and that those involved "engaged in insurrection."

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Clizby Wampuscat

Clizby Wampuscat

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fantome profane said:
The only one who made that claim in your original post was you. It was nonsense then, and it is nonsense now.

Can you provide any evidence for that accusation?
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Did you read the article? Here is another one:

His intention is to remove Trump from the ballot. He says this himself.
  • Raskin suggested the bill would be paired with a resolution declaring Jan. 6 an "insurrection" and that those involved "engaged in insurrection."
https://www.axios.com/2024/03/04/jamie-raskin-trump-ballot-ruling-supreme-court
 
fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Clizby Wampuscat said:
Did you read the article? Here is another one:

His intention is to remove Trump from the ballot. He says this himself.
  • Raskin suggested the bill would be paired with a resolution declaring Jan. 6 an "insurrection" and that those involved "engaged in insurrection."
https://www.axios.com/2024/03/04/jamie-raskin-trump-ballot-ruling-supreme-court
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I read the article, both articles, very carefully. Nothing at all in either of them about prosecuting people who broke a law that does not exist yet. You made that up. I don't know if you did it intentionally or accidentally, but that came from you.

And there is nothing in the resolution that says that either.

It doesn't say anything that indicates that this law will remove Trump from the 2024 ballot.

But if he tries it again, or somebody else does, they want to be ready.
 
Clizby Wampuscat

Clizby Wampuscat

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fantome profane said:
I read the article, both articles, very carefully. Nothing at all in either of them about prosecuting people who broke a law that does not exist yet. You made that up. I don't know if you did it intentionally or accidentally, but that came from you.

And there is nothing in the resolution that says that either.

It doesn't say anything that indicates that this law will remove Trump from the 2024 ballot.

But if he tries it again, or somebody else does, they want to be ready.
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He says at the same time he will introduce a resolution declaring Jn 6th an insurrection and anyone involved in it an insurrectionist. Why do that? It is because he plans to use the new law and the resolution to keep Trump off the ballot.

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fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Clizby Wampuscat said:
Ok, have a great day!
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That was not an insult btw. When I say it was coming from you, all I mean is that it is coming from you. It is not coming from Raskin, it is not written in the resolution, and it is not written in any proposed legislation.

You are not a valid source of information. That is not an insult. I am not a valid source of information. No one on this board should ever claim that something is true because @fantome profane said so. And nor is it true because @Clizby Wampuscat said so.

You have a great day as well.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
anna. said:
:facepalm:
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There probably was a bit of dishonesty by Kimmel's crew. They probably presented themselves as a pro-Trump source so when they owned up to their "mistake" it was accepted and the people wanting to support their great leader immediately changed their story to fit. It seems excessive, but I have seen almost the same happen here.
 
Clizby Wampuscat

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
fantome profane said:
That was not an insult btw. When I say it was coming from you, all I mean is that it is coming from you. It is not coming from Raskin, it is not written in the resolution, and it is not written in any proposed legislation.

You are not a valid source of information. That is not an insult. I am not a valid source of information. No one on this board should ever claim that something is true because @fantome profane said so. And nor is it true because @Clizby Wampuscat said so.

You have a great day as well.
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I did not feel insulted. But we will just not agree so why continue? In my opinion and the opinion of the news media is that his reason for the resolution is to apply it to the new legislation he is introducing to keep Trump off the ballot. You have said you disagree so I guess our discussion is done.
 
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