wellwisher
Well-Known Member
Objective morality is not designed for the individual; ego. If there was only you, you could get away with subjective morality. You could set all the rules to suit your own subjective whims. If you are dealing with a group, morality has to become more objective, since too much individual subjectivity would never allow the group to integrate properly.
If you were one person on an island, you could set up a subjective set of rules, for yourself, that can make you happy no matter how cruel or perverted. If there are two people, and both do the similar things, the egos will clash if you are not both on the same subjective page. If one wants to be a bully and the other does not want to be bullied, what happens?
If you have a team that needs to work together, you cannot have all the individuals playing by the beat of their own subjective drums. That would never allow a good team to form. Sacrifices will need to be made in terms of whims and personal subjectivity, so the players can objectively find their optimize positions on the team.
A team of one person comes down to optimizing the ego, both objectively and subjectively. A team of many has to limit individual subjectivity, since this will clash with others.
As an analogy, say you had a box of building blocks of all shapes. The goal is to make a certain structure with all the blocks and shown on the box cover. If we place any first block down, whether this is right or wrong; subjective, this will not be immediately apparent, until we start adding more and more blocks. Then we notice the structure of blocks is not forming the right way.
Based on how it is drifting, we take all the blocks down, and start again. This time being more careful to place a specific first block, in a different spot; more objective to the previous drift from the subjective random first block. Objective morality has a much harder goal, which is to assemble a large number of different and subjective people and get them to cooperate and then thrive. A random or subjective approach based on the whims of all, will not get you there. It needs to be more objective and rational.
If you look the 10 Commandments each one will requires individuals sacrifice subjective impulses in favor of the team. The first commandment is, there is one God and not to have strange gods before you. If we allowed everyone to have their own favorite god or no god at all, the team will be going in too many directions. The Atheists and the Religious in this forum have two teams instead of one. A house divided against itself cannot stand. This is fine for discussion forums but in the harsh reality of ancient times, this could mean the end for all. One had to be objective to various types of subjective division and make the needed objective sacrifices for the whole team's success.
Those who believe and practice subjective morality have the spirit of division. The political Left breaks down into umpteen different victim groups, since relative morality cannot be used to integrate them all. Inclusion and equity, with subjective morality are conflicting terms. It just creates more division. Equity and inclusion is not based on objective standards like talent but subjective standards like shoe size. Only the subjective fringe need apply or ar included. But only objectivity can make a whole team.
If you were one person on an island, you could set up a subjective set of rules, for yourself, that can make you happy no matter how cruel or perverted. If there are two people, and both do the similar things, the egos will clash if you are not both on the same subjective page. If one wants to be a bully and the other does not want to be bullied, what happens?
If you have a team that needs to work together, you cannot have all the individuals playing by the beat of their own subjective drums. That would never allow a good team to form. Sacrifices will need to be made in terms of whims and personal subjectivity, so the players can objectively find their optimize positions on the team.
A team of one person comes down to optimizing the ego, both objectively and subjectively. A team of many has to limit individual subjectivity, since this will clash with others.
As an analogy, say you had a box of building blocks of all shapes. The goal is to make a certain structure with all the blocks and shown on the box cover. If we place any first block down, whether this is right or wrong; subjective, this will not be immediately apparent, until we start adding more and more blocks. Then we notice the structure of blocks is not forming the right way.
Based on how it is drifting, we take all the blocks down, and start again. This time being more careful to place a specific first block, in a different spot; more objective to the previous drift from the subjective random first block. Objective morality has a much harder goal, which is to assemble a large number of different and subjective people and get them to cooperate and then thrive. A random or subjective approach based on the whims of all, will not get you there. It needs to be more objective and rational.
If you look the 10 Commandments each one will requires individuals sacrifice subjective impulses in favor of the team. The first commandment is, there is one God and not to have strange gods before you. If we allowed everyone to have their own favorite god or no god at all, the team will be going in too many directions. The Atheists and the Religious in this forum have two teams instead of one. A house divided against itself cannot stand. This is fine for discussion forums but in the harsh reality of ancient times, this could mean the end for all. One had to be objective to various types of subjective division and make the needed objective sacrifices for the whole team's success.
Those who believe and practice subjective morality have the spirit of division. The political Left breaks down into umpteen different victim groups, since relative morality cannot be used to integrate them all. Inclusion and equity, with subjective morality are conflicting terms. It just creates more division. Equity and inclusion is not based on objective standards like talent but subjective standards like shoe size. Only the subjective fringe need apply or ar included. But only objectivity can make a whole team.
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