My Religion is the Only Path

[Smoke]

I got a refreshing idea for all of my post-modern, liberal, polytheist, new age friends . . . that's not as boring as this "Ethno-centric" political correct junk, let's all get a long mentality- and its called "TRINITARIAN PROTESTANT EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANITY" . . .

Been there; done that; hated it.

If you want to be part of something radical why don't your try faith in a man who is God and who died and who was and is raised from the dead . . . that's more radical then Islam, Mormonism, the denial of or any other idea that people want to invent.

Are you attempting to proselytize?

. . . oh and if you are a consistent in your belief in that everyones opinion is important and valid . . . then what I just said is just as true as anything you said . . . not that I subscribe to that :]

All beliefs are not equally true, and not all opinions are valid. I have never known anyone, liberal or otherwise, who believed that they were.

 

[michel]

As 'heavy looking' religious debates frighten me, it was of no surprise for me to find I hadn't voted on this one; so now I have. "No, there are many paths" and I would include some from totally non Religious backgrounds.

 

[Sunstone]

What do you mean by "valid", YmirGF? Just curious.

 

[Sunstone]

I don't agree, YmirGF. While I think everyone has an equal right to their opinions, I don't see all opinions as being equally valid. For instance, Mr. Spinkles opinions on what is or isn't good science are likely to be more valid than mine. Just so, your opinions on the Canadian government are likely to be more valid than mine. Yet, we all have an equal right to our opinions.

For me, the validity of an opinion depends on its truthfulness. Some opinions contain more truth than others, and are therefore more valid than others.

 

[jeffrey]

I believe there are many paths, and God intended it that way. With the diversity of people and cultures, no one way is right. The path might be narrow, but their are many paths. Remember. judge not.. And this includes other people's religion.

 

[michel]

I don't agree, YmirGF. While I think everyone has an equal right to their opinions, I don't see all opinions as being equally valid. For instance, Mr. Spinkles opinions on what is or isn't good science are likely to be more valid than mine. Just so, your opinions on the Canadian government are likely to be more valid than mine. Yet, we all have an equal right to our opinions.

For me, the validity of an opinion depends on its truthfulness. Some opinions contain more truth than others, and are therefore more valid than others.

That's an interesting thought Sunstone; that you base validity on 'personal truths'; does that mean that there are no hard and fast universal truths?

 

[Sunstone]

That's an interesting thought Sunstone; that you base validity on 'personal truths'; does that mean that there are no hard and fast universal truths?

I'm not sure how I've based validity on personal truths, Michel. That certainly was not my intention. Could you elaborate?

 

[michel]

I'm not sure how I've based validity on personal truths, Michel. That certainly was not my intention. Could you elaborate?

Your previous post

For me, the validity of an opinion depends on its truthfulness. Some opinions contain more truth than others, and are therefore more valid than others.

Surely truthfulness is individual and personal ? (as in 'He is a tall man' would be a truism to me, because I am short, while to you (being six feet tall), it would not be a truism.

 

[Sunstone]

Your previous post
Surely truthfulness is individual and personal ? (as in 'He is a tall man' would be a truism to me, because I am short, while to you (being six feet tall), it would not be a truism.

I see what you mean now. I think some truths are relative, but there are also universal truths. For instance, it is universally true that males cannot get pregnant.

 

[michel]

I see what you mean now. I think some truths are relative, but there are also universal truths. For instance, it is universally true that males cannot get pregnant.

O.K fair enough.

Edit: sorry, had to go back and see what we were discussing! Me and my non existant memory..........:biglaugh:

 

[Smoke]

oh... and...
Ohhhh realllllly. My opinion is not as valid as your opinion? THAT is a new one. Tell me, who decides who is more valid? Hmmmm?

Every viewpoint is valid, if only to the person who enjoys that viewpoint. I may be cajoled into accepting that some viewpoints are more realistic than others, but they are certainly not more valid.

I will concede that if truth and reality don't any value, then all opinions must be equally valid. However, it's my opinion that truth and reality do have value.

 

[Smoke]

Chuck McVeigh was correct to do what he did given the way he understood his world.
Charles Manson was correct to do what he did because of the way he looked at his world.

Two VERY extreme examples. But if they did not believe their ideas were correct, or valid, based on their own reasoning (or lack thereof) they would never have done what they did.

Am I sniffing glue again?

Please do not think I am saying what they did was ok. It was terrible.

I think you mean Tim McVeigh.

But if their ideas were valid, and they were correct to act as they did because of the way they understood things, how can you say their acts were terrible?