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Mussolini's ladder

SugarOcean

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I'm sure Jesus looked extremely pitiful while crowned with thorns, crucified, urinating, and defecating himself as he screamed "father, why have you forsaken me!"

An ugly brutal humiliation and crucifixion can lead to a glorious Resurrection.
You're wrong to try and conflate Jesus crucifixion with Sawdust Caesar's execution.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Pope this is like me explaining to an autistic kid flopping around on the floor in a mosh pit and i say get up and walk out. Your flopping is a result of the enviroment. Inculturated over thinking. Neurosis and its real.

What you believe, what you do not believe what god are agnostic about is irelevant..

Go out and believe the sun wont set today. Nothing
Go out and be an atheist and not believe it wont set today... Nothing.
Frivolous nonsense..

So your pitiful i believe and your pitiful i dont believe are totally irelevant to the sun how much more irelevevant are they to the topic god? . Totally.

Nature god take your choice same thing. Have that split with nature over here and god over there, with you in the middle is lame. An infinite fantasy state is instantly created. Good luck its a house of mirrors.


Well,

If it strengthens or inspires me to be more disciplined, have better behavior, and be less selfish, then I consider it to not be totally worthless!
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
You're wrong to try and conflate Jesus crucifixion with Sawdust Caesar's execution.
My point is that an ugly humiliating defeat can turn into a glorious victory. I believe "Sawdust Caesar" to be a new creation, old things are passed away. He has been born again.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Well,

If it strengthens or inspires me to be more disciplined, have better behavior, and be less selfish, then I consider it to not be totally worthless!
Tis tru nuff. Dealing with what you are dealing with aint easy. I understand. Chin up breathe more think less. You could learn from her a lot. Sometimes we out smart ourselves. Peace.
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
Fascism sees in the world


not only those superficial, material aspects

in which man appears as an individual, standing by


himself, self-centered
, subject to natural law, which

instinctively urges him toward a life of selfish

momentary pleasure; it sees not only the


individual but the nation and the country
;

individuals and generations bound together by a

moral law, with common traditions and a mission

which suppressing the instinct for life closed in a

brief circle of pleasure, builds up a higher life,

founded on duty, a life free from the limitations of

time and space, in which the individual, by self-sacrifice,


the renunciation of self-interest, by death


itself, can achieve that purely spiritual existence in



which his value as a man consists."


That is a quote from Mussolini's Doctrine of Fascism and resembles what many canonized Saints have said. The Mussolini I venerate is the Il Duce who has achieved this purely spiritual existence that he writes about. The goal of the fascist is to die, for only death can achieve the existence of a pure spirit that isn’t limited by the flesh.

He seems now to be comparing his old life in the flesh to that of a grounded caterpillar, and his current life as a purely spiritual existence to that of a butterfly.

Mussolini hung upside down. And so he brings butterfly Fascism
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, a new creation that doesn’t resemble the other, that soars to the heights of spiritual perfection.

The Mussolini I venerate is the Il Duce who has achieved this purely spiritual existence. The goal of the fascist is to die, for only death can achieve the existence of a pure spirit that isn’t limited by the flesh. One day a caterpillar hangs upside down. An ugly death, melting, and remolding takes place before it can fly. First it hangs upside down. The caterpillar Il Duce hung upside down to symbolize this transformation into a new creation, a purely spiritual existence (Emperor butterfly).

People mocked him shouting “You who would rebuild the Roman Empire”, and that is precisely what he was and is in the process of doing. He wants to teach people that they can win through failure, defeat, humiliation, death, and desecration. He wants to show us what can take place after purely spiritual existence is accomplished. This spiritual existence is glorified by Mussolini's Doctrine, an existence that is only possible with death.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
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New Covenant Fascism is a spirituality where Il Duce leads his flock to a redeemed form of Fascism, where he is purely a spirit, united to the Holy Spirit, transformed to bring us wisdom and anointing's that we might make war with all forces that weaken, threaten, or bring ruin to our souls.

the blessing Jacob received was:

28:3 May El Shaddai bless you, make you fertile and numerous, so that you become an assembly of peoples. 28:4 May He grant the blessing of Abraham to you and your offspring, that you may possess the land where you are sojourning, which God assigned to Abraham.

27:28 “May God give you of the dew of heaven and the fat of the earth, abundance of new grain and wine. 27:29 Let peoples serve you, and nations bow to you; Be master over your brothers, and let your mother’s sons bow to you. Cursed be they who curse you, blessed they who bless you.”

12:2 I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you shall be a blessing. 12:3 I will bless those who bless you and curse him that curses you; and all the families of the earth shall bless themselves by you.”

De Montfort emphasizes that Jacob received this blessing through the work of his Mother, not through his efforts, and it was a blessing he received through deception. When you go to Mary she obtains from God blessings you don't deserve, blessings intended for others, graces God doesn't want to grant, and surprises that even shock God, for he obeys his Mother.


(Mussolini's wife was Rachele, born my birthday. The wife of Jacob was Rachel. Jacob was a Twin brother who he hated. I live in the Twin cities. Rome was founded by twin brothers who hated each other. Il Duce wants twin cities to be his new Rome. The capitol building here is modeled after and almost identical to Saint Peter's basilica in Rome. I declared it to be the fascist Basilica of Saint Peters not knowing it was the feast of Saint Peter, the Pope whose corpse was displayed upside down like Il Duce, is buried at St Peter's basilica in Rome. He showed me a fascist headquarters and Fascist Temple. I called various victims of Rape and murder capitol hill Queens before knowing I'd live near a capitol hill. I know it sounds like muddled craziness, but signs are everywhere. This is becoming an emerald city, a Land of Oz, and Il Duce is the wonderful wizard who greets me each morning..)
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
Il Duce: love and bless the leftists with the same fervor you love and bless the right-wingers. Both sides are full of sick people who need love and blessing. Many people on both sides are simply identifying with those sides for the wrong reasons anyway.

In heaven I honor my opponents with the same honor that I honor my sympathizers. Being purely a spirit has liberated me from the concupiscence of the flesh. I now have understanding. Praise God for that!
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Il Duce: Many people throughout the world admired me when I kept fascism in Italy. Had I kept my spiritual form of government in Italy and focus on making Italy great again, the evidence is overwhelming that I would have succeeded at this. In the two decades I was in power, the evidence is overwhelming that I was succeeding at making Italy great again.

This would have inspired other nations, and did inspire other nations to adopt that form of government , without my having to invade them.

Had I lead a good example, I would have stayed in power for a full life span, and fascism would be alive and well in many Nations today.

Let interior fascism remain interior and humble, not abrasive or aggressive towards others, but rather deal harshly with the enemies of your soul , the deadly sins.

If you succeed at governing yourself wisely, the god-given Graces within your soul will be contagious and others will see, admire, and desire to imitate you.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
What? No Mussolini in a helmet?
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Anyhow, Il Duce founded the independent Vatican city state that exists today. I see no Popes (and few Catholics) in my lifetime giving him thanks or recognition for this contribution that they are benefiting from.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
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Be a Temple of his Spirit. He will lead thee to glory. He screwed up but did much good that people fail to acknowledge. He made life in Italy far more fun, exciting, and interesting for countless millions. He was an inspiration to people around the world and even a favorite of time magazine and American media. When his march on Rome brought him to power, streets in America filled with euphoric people cheering wildly about his victory.

His mistakes that he wants us to all learn from are his lack of charity, meekness, and lack of humility. His Doctrine speaks of purification and a purely perfected spiritual state that can only be achieved through death. He has achieved that state and is finished making mistakes and failing. From here on out it is upwards and onwards to greater glory, for he is one in mind, heart, and will with his maker!


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Spiderman

Veteran Member
Il Duce:
We can invade the nations with armies of heavenly soldiers, Angels, and almighty God, and the patron Saints of those nations ( with their angels)who will not fight us but fight along side us.

We can declare crusades of prayer, rosaries, spiritual warfare, fasting, sacrifice, mass attendance, and reception of holy communion for the spreading of an Empire, but let it be the Kingdom of God that is being spread.

Such prayer crusades are already going on worldwide, and they brought down communism in Russia, turning mother Russia from the far left secular communist Nation, to a far-right spiritual nation.

The Virgin Mary promised this would happen to three Shepherd children in 1917, Fatima Portugal.

Pray the Rosary. Padre pio declared it to be " the weapon". It is the weapon of the interior fascist. We do not conquer with guns, tanks, or exterior weaponry, but fight a purely spiritual battle.

That was my fatal mistake, and the mistake that cost so many other rulers their throne. I long to thoroughly make reparation for my wrongdoings.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Maybe you should stop presenting mass-murdering fascist dictator's in a positive light then.
His rise to power from nothing was peaceful in comparison to figures like Napoleon.

He charmed the King and people of Italy so much with his courage, strength, and charismatic example, that the king removed the prime minister and replaced him with Il Duce.

In a time when communism was killing tens of millions and threatening countless nations and religions, I see his iron fist approach as something most men would have done in his situation, to crush a very real threat.

His Doctrine of fascism contained much wisdom, self discipline, selflessness, and spirituality.

I see Il Duce having redeemable qualities and a larger following than other dead leaders. I believe he wants his followers to learn humility and charity, practicing interior fascism, littleness, meekness, godliness, self-discipline, self-control, and share in true glory, being an Il Duce (leader) of mind, body, and soul, leading a good example for others.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Maybe you should stop presenting mass-murdering fascist dictator's in a positive light then.
I acknowledge the negativity. It's just there is much positivity that is not acknowledged, and he was no Hitler. People only seem to see his ugly side these days. There was a time where even Gandhi spoke highly of Il Duce.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Mussolini is not just a statesman, he was a religious leader. The doctrine of fascism what was a blend of politics with Religion.

Il Duce is responsible for the independent Vatican City state that we know today.

Fascism was a religious concept.

His tomb resembles a church, a shrine to a Saint, that attracts over a hundred thousand people a year. He has invaded Italian bookstores, magazines, and newspapers , recently and his grandchildren are powerful politicians not in spite of their name but because of their name.

His place of birth is also a place of pilgrimage with a fascist museum. He wasn't all bad, and I actually think he's better than most men, it's just most men don't have his ingenuity and are not in that position or they would behave worse.

He did not enter the war until after fascism dominated most of Europe. He mistakenly saw it as an opportunity to restore the Roman Empire. I think the average man would have made the same mistake in that position.

I think he is unjustly demonized while his positive qualities are overlooked.
 

Saint Frankenstein

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I acknowledge the negativity. It's just there is much positivity that is not acknowledged, and he was no Hitler. People only seem to see his ugly side these days. There was a time where even Gandhi spoke highly of Il Duce.
Honestly you can make the same sort of excuses for any dictator. I can think of nice things about Hitler, too (and could say that he was no Stalin or Mao). I see people praising Stalin and Mao, as well. I'm sure there's some tankie neckbeard out there praising Pol Pot, too.
 
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Spiderman

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Honestly you can make the same sort of excuses for any dictator. I can think of nice things about Hitler, too (and could say that he was no Stalin or Mao). I see people praising Stalin and Mao, as well. I'm sure there's some tankie neckbeard out there praising Pol Pot, too.

Yes Frank, but I'm discovering many qualities unique to Il Duce that I'm not seeing in other leaders or founders of governments. I see a founder of a religious form of government that brought about romance between state and religion, romance between people and their leader that is unique. Every morning in Italy there was an omnipresent Il Duce, greeting the people from his balcony, receiving fervent responses that were unprecedented. He declared himself to be more than prime minister and the people went along with it because over all, he was enhancing the lives of most Italians.

Mao, Stalin, and Pot were not original, neither did they invent a new form of government. Napoleon was not so original a statesmen either, but Bonaparte gets second place imo lol :p. (he was the same height as Il Duce btw. ).

The spirit of Il Duce still seems to be organizing parades in his honor, authoring literature, pilgrimages, prayers, fascist relic displays and marketing, banners, symbols, and entertainment in his honor. People are declared to be channeling his spirit. The independent Vatican city state is his work and a fascist achievement and relic of sorts. Fascism should not quickly give people images of Nazis, skinheads, and bigots. It's so much more than that.

Hitler was a copycat. He took a sacred Hindu symbol, the swastika, and made it his. He made fascism and the swastika ugly. Il Duce wants to take back what was stolen by his unruly pupil!
 

Saint Frankenstein

Gone
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Yes Frank, but I'm discovering many qualities unique to Il Duce that I'm not seeing in other leaders or founders of governments. I see a founder of a religious form of government that brought about romance between state and religion, romance between people and their leader that is unique. Every morning in Italy there was an omnipresent Il Duce, greeting the people from his balcony, receiving fervent responses that were unprecedented. He declared himself to be more than prime minister and the people went along with it because over all, he was enhancing the lives of most Italians.

Mao, Stalin, and Pot were not original, neither did they invent a new form of government. Napoleon was not so original a statesmen either, but Bonaparte gets second place imo lol :p. (he was the same height as Il Duce btw. ).

The spirit of Il Duce still seems to be organizing parades in his honor, authoring literature, pilgrimages, prayers, fascist relic displays and marketing, banners, symbols, and entertainment in his honor. People are declared to be channeling his spirit. The independent Vatican city state is his work and a fascist achievement and relic of sorts. Fascism should not quickly give people images of Nazis, skinheads, and bigots. It's so much more than that.

Hitler was a copycat. He took a sacred Hindu symbol, the swastika, and made it his. He made fascism and the swastika ugly. Il Duce wants to take back what was stolen by his unruly pupil!
And people who like the other dictators make similar claims. There are those who pretty much worship Hitler. Savitri Devi, for example, viewed Hitler as an avatar of Vishnu. National Socialism is pretty much a religion unto itself.

Esoteric Nazism - Wikipedia

The swastika is just a sunwheel symbol and is found around the world. It was a very important pre-Christian Germanic religious symbol, as well. So he "stole" it from no one. Mussolini is not original, either. He ripped off Gabriele D'Annunzio, which I've mentioned to you before. And sorry but Hitler just had more of an impact on the world and that is why he is more talked about, for better or worse.
 
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