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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by chuck010342, Nov 13, 2004.

  1. chuck010342

    chuck010342 Active Member

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    is the quran directly from God?

    if so then is there a need for interpetation of the holy book?
     
  2. booboo

    booboo New Member

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    Hi,

    Maybe the Holy Book can answer your question:

    Qur'an 3:7

    7. He it is Who has sent down to you the Book: In it are verses fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

     
  3. chuck010342

    chuck010342 Active Member

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    are you muslim? and if so I have a follow up question. Why would an all powerful God allow hidden meanings in his book?
     
  4. Pah

    Pah Uber all member

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    That question has a presumption that there is "hidden" meaning in the Qur'an.

    Bob
     
  5. booboo

    booboo New Member

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    If I have never tasted something sour, no matter how much you speak of its taste, I would not understand. However, you may try to relate it to me in a way that I may understand; probably metaphorically.

    Also, if we already knew the meanings, what is the use of studying?

    The Qur'an answers your question:

    4:82 Do they not earnestly seek to understand the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

    47:24 Do they not then earnestly seek to understand the Qur'an, or are their hearts locked up by them?


    booboo
     
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  6. croak

    croak Trickster

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    There are no "hidden" meanings. There are just things that may be hard to understand.
    And doesn't the Bible have a lot of mistakes? So, why would an All-Powerful God make mistakes in His book?
    I'm not trying to start a debate. If you decide to chuck, I will be more than happy to in the debate forum.
     
  7. DontFearMe

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    In response to the hidden meanings in the Quran it says:

    3:7 He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah.

    Not everything in the Quran has a literal meaning.
     
  8. Lord_Vader

    Lord_Vader Member

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    The Qu'ran, like the bible and every other religious book in this world, before and today, is just another person/s view of what they believe to be the right religion in their mind.

    Every holy book etc was written by humans for humans alike minded to follow. That is why no religion is perfect and every religion has flaws & errors. By stating that it is a devine book sent by a devine source, gives it power and status to attraxt follows who in their hearts believe it to be true. The truth is only as much as that which one seeks as the truth.

    What is right and what is wrong. What is good and what is evil. In answering this question, one must remember there are many levels of each, depending on ones own culture and perception. To one we call evil, they think they are good and describe an evil you cannot imagine.
     
  9. Peace

    Peace Quran & Sunnah

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    Could you come up with just one flaw in the Quran?

    Peace
     
  10. Pah

    Pah Uber all member

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    This thread was moved because it has turned toward a debate.

    pah
     
  11. Solly

    Solly Fides Quærens Intellectum

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    It is interesting to see a Muslim argue like a Christian about his/her book. It makes me pause for thought...
     
  12. croak

    croak Trickster

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    I thought it would. ;)
     
  13. sammy

    sammy New Member

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    A contradiction occurs when one statement on a subject excludes the possibility of another. The first one here is a good example. In Surah 19:67, it states that man was created out of nothing. In 15:26, man is created from clay. Since clay is something, we have a contradiction since "nothing" excludes the possibility of "clay." Both cannot be true.

    What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?
    • "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
    • "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
    • "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
    • "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
    • "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).
    The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?

    • "And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).
    • "When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
    • "And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).
    :eek:
     
  14. DontFearMe

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    Again the same standard applies to this issue. In regards to this, the Prophet was the first muslim amongst his people he was living amongst and thus commanded, and thus being the first in Islam amongst them.

    Again Moses was the first to believe among his people the Children of Israel.

    As we see, here are two people studying this book. One takes each verse as independant of others. The other person takes the verse and says they are related to others. Good day. :)
     
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