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Muhammad’s life at Mecca was model of a peaceful person

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paarsurrey

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Muhammad’s life at Mecca was model of a peaceful person

THE PROPHET (sa) RECEIVES HIS FIRSTREVELATION

When the Prophet (sa) was over thirty years of age, love
of God and love of His worship began to possess him
more and more. Revolting against the mischiefs,
misdeeds and the many vices of the people of Mecca, he
chose a spot two or three miles away for his meditations.
This was on top of a hill, a sort of cave shaped out of
stone. His wife Khadija (ra) would prepare food enough for
several days, and with this he would repair to the cave
Hira. In the cave he would worship God day and night.
When he was forty years of age, he saw a vision. It was
in this very cave. He saw some one commanding him to
recite.

The Prophet (sa) said in reply he did not know what or
how to recite. The figure insisted and at last made the
Prophet (sa) recite the following verses:

Recite thou in the name of thy Lord Who created, created
man from a clot of blood. Recite! And thy Lord is the Most
Beneficent, Who taught man by the pen, taught man what
he knew not (96:2-6).

These verses, the first ever revealed to the Prophet (sa),
became part of the Qur’an as did other verses which
were revealed later. They have tremendous meaning.
They command the Prophet (sa) to stand up and be ready
to proclaim the name of the One God, the One Creator—
of the Prophet (sa) and of all others—Who has made man
and sowed the seed of His own love and that of fellowmen
in his nature.

The Prophet (sa) was commanded to
proclaim the Message of this God, and was promised
help, and protection by Him in the proclamation of this
Message. The verses foretold a time when the world
would be taught all manner of knowledge through the
instrumentality of the pen, and would be taught things
never heard of before.

The verses constitute an epitome of the Qur’an. Whatever the Prophet (sa) was to be taught
in later revelations is contained in embryo in these
verses. The foundation was laid in them of a great and
heretofore unknown advance in the spiritual progress of
man.

The meaning and explanation of these verses will
be found in their place in this Commentary. We refer to
them here because their revelation constitutes a great
occasion in the life of the Prophet (sa). When the Prophet (sa)
received this revelation, he was full of fear of the
responsibility which God had decided to place on his
shoulders. Any other person in his place would have
been filled with pride—he would have felt that he had
become great. The Prophet (sa) was different. He could
achieve great things but could take no pride in his
achievement. After this great experience he reached
home greatly agitated, his face drawn.

Page 9-11
Life of Muhammad (sa)
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Life-of-Muhammad.pdf

Regards
 

gnostic

The Lost One
paarsurrey said:
Muhammad conducted even the defensive wars in such a wise way that least causalities should occur of both sides.

Attacking merchants' caravans is not an act of defensive wars.

It is not even war. What it is, is act of brigandage. He and his followers were after loots, just like any piracy. And Muhammad was the leader in these raids. That's not an act of peaceful man.

That act alone, showed that he was no better than any warlord.
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
Attacking merchants' caravans is not an act of defensive wars.

It is not even war. What it is, is act of brigandage. He and his followers were after loots, just like any piracy. And Muhammad was the leader in these raids. That's not an act of peaceful man.

That act alone, showed that he was no better than any warlord.
Leader of a gang of bandits cut off
The Qur'an says
You are great creations
Are you Mohamed these ethics that spoke about the Quran
The Quran says otherwise
The morality of Muhammad are not great
This Qur'an contradictions
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
Muhammad’s life at Mecca was model of a peaceful person

THE PROPHET (sa) RECEIVES HIS FIRSTREVELATION

When the Prophet (sa) was over thirty years of age, love
of God and love of His worship began to possess him
more and more. Revolting against the mischiefs,
misdeeds and the many vices of the people of Mecca, he
chose a spot two or three miles away for his meditations.
This was on top of a hill, a sort of cave shaped out of
stone. His wife Khadija (ra) would prepare food enough for
several days, and with this he would repair to the cave
Hira. In the cave he would worship God day and night.
When he was forty years of age, he saw a vision. It was
in this very cave. He saw some one commanding him to
recite.

The Prophet (sa) said in reply he did not know what or
how to recite. The figure insisted and at last made the
Prophet (sa) recite the following verses:

Recite thou in the name of thy Lord Who created, created
man from a clot of blood. Recite! And thy Lord is the Most
Beneficent, Who taught man by the pen, taught man what
he knew not (96:2-6).

These verses, the first ever revealed to the Prophet (sa),
became part of the Qur’an as did other verses which
were revealed later. They have tremendous meaning.
They command the Prophet (sa) to stand up and be ready
to proclaim the name of the One God, the One Creator—
of the Prophet (sa) and of all others—Who has made man
and sowed the seed of His own love and that of fellowmen
in his nature.

The Prophet (sa) was commanded to
proclaim the Message of this God, and was promised
help, and protection by Him in the proclamation of this
Message. The verses foretold a time when the world
would be taught all manner of knowledge through the
instrumentality of the pen, and would be taught things
never heard of before.

The verses constitute an epitome of the Qur’an. Whatever the Prophet (sa) was to be taught
in later revelations is contained in embryo in these
verses. The foundation was laid in them of a great and
heretofore unknown advance in the spiritual progress of
man.

The meaning and explanation of these verses will
be found in their place in this Commentary. We refer to
them here because their revelation constitutes a great
occasion in the life of the Prophet (sa). When the Prophet (sa)
received this revelation, he was full of fear of the
responsibility which God had decided to place on his
shoulders. Any other person in his place would have
been filled with pride—he would have felt that he had
become great. The Prophet (sa) was different. He could
achieve great things but could take no pride in his
achievement. After this great experience he reached
home greatly agitated, his face drawn.

Page 9-11
Life of Muhammad (sa)
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Life-of-Muhammad.pdf

Regards
Mohammed was known to read and write

It is not the unification
These lying Islamic
The children of Israel
Declared absolute Monotheism
Mohammed came after the Torah
4000 years ago
Before Muhammad
In the Torah
We
God is one
Humanity knows that God is one
Muhammad did not provide anything new
There is a verse in the Quran says
There is only one who believed in the children of Israel
Mohamed Hareb standardization
It make people worship the black stone in Mecca
Idol in Mecca
 

gnostic

The Lost One
gnostic said:
and sold women and children into slavery, also make him a politician, a warlord, a brigand and slaver. That's hardly makes him a man of peace, let alone prince of peace.

paarsurrey said:
It never happened in peace times.

Peacetime or war...does it really matter. He still had women and children of the Qurayza sold into slavery for money.

He even owned women slaves, who were particularly beautiful...it doesn't matter if he free them later, to marry one or two of them, he still took slaves. He gave some beautiful slaves to his companions, just show that he condoned slavery, and that Islam condoned slavery.

Some Muslims, today, tried to deny that Islam condone slavery or abhor slavery operations. They don't. The fact is, that it had happened after the Qurayza had surrendered to him, show that Muhammad was as much a slaver, and showed that today Muslim apologists tried to cover it up or make excuses.

Saudi Arabia still allow for capturing and selling slaves, and for any Muslim to legally owning slaves, as late as the 1970s. They had only banned slavery operations and owning slaves because of the UN had put diplomatic pressures on the Saudi king and goverment at that time.

Slavery is wrong, regardless of times in war or peace, it still make Muhammad a slaver.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Peacetime or war...does it really matter. He still had women and children of the Qurayza sold into slavery for money.

He even owned women slaves, who were particularly beautiful...it doesn't matter if he free them later, to marry one or two of them, he still took slaves. He gave some beautiful slaves to his companions, just show that he condoned slavery, and that Islam condoned slavery.

Some Muslims, today, tried to deny that Islam condone slavery or abhor slavery operations. They don't. The fact is, that it had happened after the Qurayza had surrendered to him, show that Muhammad was as much a slaver, and showed that today Muslim apologists tried to cover it up or make excuses.

Saudi Arabia still allow for capturing and selling slaves, and for any Muslim to legally owning slaves, as late as the 1970s. They had only banned slavery operations and owning slaves because of the UN had put diplomatic pressures on the Saudi king and goverment at that time.

Slavery is wrong, regardless of times in war or peace, it still make Muhammad a slaver.

Peacetime or war...does it really matter.

It does matter. It is for this that peace-time is named peace time and war time as war time.

Regards
 

gnostic

The Lost One
paarsurrey said:
It does matter. It is for this that peace-time is named peace time and war time as war time.

You're stating the obvious.

Slavery should be illegal in time of war, as well as in peace.

I am wasting my time in debating with you in any case, because I already know you think it is ok to steal, in time of war.

Looting and plunders are the staple diet for Muslims in wars. I don't remember the verse, but I do recall that the Qur'an has enshrined "stealing" as being morally acceptable as long as they are enemies.

I would suppose that in time of war, it is also ok and legal for Islam, if Muslim soldiers to rape women of enemies?
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Mohammed was known to read and write

It is not the unification
These lying Islamic
The children of Israel
Declared absolute Monotheism
Mohammed came after the Torah
4000 years ago
Before Muhammad
In the Torah
We
God is one
Humanity knows that God is one
Muhammad did not provide anything new
There is a verse in the Quran says
There is only one who believed in the children of Israel
Mohamed Hareb standardization
It make people worship the black stone in Mecca
Idol in Mecca

Mohammed was known to read and write

Quran does not mention it.

Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
You're stating the obvious.

Slavery should be illegal in time of war, as well as in peace.

I am wasting my time in debating with you in any case, because I already know you think it is ok to steal, in time of war.

Looting and plunders are the staple diet for Muslims in wars. I don't remember the verse, but I do recall that the Qur'an has enshrined "stealing" as being morally acceptable as long as they are enemies.

I would suppose that in time of war, it is also ok and legal for Islam, if Muslim soldiers to rape women of enemies?

I never said that.

Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Mohammed was known to read and write

It is not the unification
These lying Islamic
The children of Israel
Declared absolute Monotheism
Mohammed came after the Torah
4000 years ago
Before Muhammad
In the Torah
We
God is one
Humanity knows that God is one
Muhammad did not provide anything new
There is a verse in the Quran says
There is only one who believed in the children of Israel
Mohamed Hareb standardization
It make people worship the black stone in Mecca
Idol in Mecca

Mohammed was known to read and write

It is not correct:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 29: Al-`Ankabut

[29:49] And thou didst not recite any Book before it, nor didst thou write one with thy right hand; in that case the liars would have doubted.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Regards
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Meccans did not allow Muhammad and his followers to practice freely Islam- the Revealed Religion of their choice.

Those who speak for freedom of religion and freedom of speech must take notice of this.

There was absolutely no planning for violence or to use force or sword on the side of Islam/Quran/Muhammad.

Anybody could comment whether belonging to a religion or no religion.

Regards

Then what happened? Muhammad goes out and about on his conquests.
Power corrupts. Easy to resist the temptation of power when you have none. People actually start listening to what you say hard to not let it inflate your ego.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Muhammad’s life at Mecca was model of a peaceful person

THE PROPHET (sa) RECEIVES HIS FIRSTREVELATION

On Khadija's (ra) enquiry, he narrated the whole experience to her and
summed up his fears, saying, "Weak man that I am, how
can I carry the responsibility which God proposes to put
on my shoulders." Khadija (ra) replied at once:

God is witness, He has not sent you this Word that you
should fail and prove unworthy, that He should then give
you up. How can God do such a thing, while you are kind
and considerate to your relations, help the poor and the
forlorn and bear their burdens? You are restoring the
virtues which had disappeared from our country. You
treat guests with honour and help those who are in
distress. Can you be subjected by God to any trial?
(Bukhari).

Having said this, Khadija (ra) took the Prophet (sa) to her
cousin, Waraqa bin Naufal, a Christian. When he heard
the account Waraqa said:

"The angel who descended on Moses (as), I am sure, has
descended on you" (Bukhari).

Page 11
Life of Muhammad (sa)
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Life-of-Muhammad.pdf

Regards
 

RAYYAN

Proud Muslim
Then what happened? Muhammad goes out and about on his conquests.
Power corrupts. Easy to resist the temptation of power when you have none. People actually start listening to what you say hard to not let it inflate your ego.

How exactly? let's talk about specifics and loose these generalized sentences. this way, We can magnify those who speak out of ignorance
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Then what happened? Muhammad goes out and about on his conquests.
Power corrupts. Easy to resist the temptation of power when you have none. People actually start listening to what you say hard to not let it inflate your ego.

War was thrust on Muhammad; he abhorred it and never liked it. Quran mentions it:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 2: Al-Baqarah

[2:217] Fighting is ordained for you, though it is repugnant to you; but it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you like a thing while it is bad for you. Allah knows all things, and you know not.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Muhammad conducted even the defensive wars in such a wise way that least causalities should occur of both sides.

People don't realize it.

Regards
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
War was thrust on Muhammad; he abhorred it and never liked it. Quran mentions it:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 2: Al-Baqarah

[2:217] Fighting is ordained for you, though it is repugnant to you; but it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you like a thing while it is bad for you. Allah knows all things, and you know not.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Muhammad conducted even the defensive wars in such a wise way that least causalities should occur of both sides.

People don't realize it.

Regards

Didn't he practically extinguish certain tribes, including men over a certain age without regard to their status as combatants?

If you reject everything but what is mentioned in the Qur'an, as it is necessary or convenient for you...of course the ugly, bad, evil never occurred. What is conducive to apologetics being seen as the only possible true occurrences is extremely dishonest.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Didn't he practically extinguish certain tribes, including men over a certain age without regard to their status as combatants?

If you reject everything but what is mentioned in the Qur'an, as it is necessary or convenient for you...of course the ugly, bad, evil never occurred. What is conducive to apologetics being seen as the only possible true occurrences is extremely dishonest.

Quran is the prime and only reliable source of the events happened to Muhammad.

Others came much later 250/300 years after Muhammad. And they are not needed.

Regards
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
Quran is the prime and only reliable source of the events happened to Muhammad.

Others came much later 250/300 years after Muhammad. And they are not needed.

Regards

They were told orally same as the Qur'an, which also was written down rather late. In literature like the Life of Muhammad you use and promote, they make use of non-Quranic sources as they see fit. With only the Qur'an hardly any details of Muhammad's life would be known.

If you extract only that which paints Muhammad in the best light for modern apologetics, then it is being dishonest. Does that not make sense?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
War was thrust on Muhammad; he abhorred it and never liked it. Quran mentions it:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 2: Al-Baqarah

[2:217] Fighting is ordained for you, though it is repugnant to you; but it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you like a thing while it is bad for you. Allah knows all things, and you know not.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Muhammad conducted even the defensive wars in such a wise way that least causalities should occur of both sides.

People don't realize it.

Regards

So according to Allah it was good for Muhammad to go to war.

Maybe not the point of the OP. Life was peaceful in Mecca after Muhammad conquered it?
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
So according to Allah it was good for Muhammad to go to war.

Maybe not the point of the OP. Life was peaceful in Mecca after Muhammad conquered it?

Muhammad was not a warrior. He never intended to fight, so were his companions. They were little in numbers, not-equipped to fight, got no training to fight and lived in hostile and strange environment. The permission to fight was not pleasing endevour.
Not at all.

Regards
 
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