Moderate Muslims' beliefs about homosexuality

[tarekabdo12]

* One study reports 70% of homosexuals admitting to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners (3)
* One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year (6). The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime
* Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting (7)
* Many homosexuals don't pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles: "Knowledge of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had no relation to sexual behavior" (16)
* Homosexuals got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses in the early 70s by storming the annual American Psychiatric Association (APA) conference on successive years. "Guerrilla theater tactics and more straight-forward shouting matches characterized their presence" (2). Since homosexuality has been removed from the APA list of mental illnesses, so has pedophilia (except when the adult feels "subjective distress") (27)
* Homosexuals account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the United States (5). They make up only 1-2% of the population
* Homosexuals live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the "gay bowel syndrome" (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus (27)

The Statistics on Homosexuality and its Effects

I think it's apparent that homosexual sex is not so sincere nor healthy as some persons would say so. It's also not natural or normal because it's associated with devastating hazards
.I'm not attacking this idea because it differs from what I believe but as I see that it's really dangerous and destroys the society. Also, the whole idea can't depend just on a certain person's experience but to be taken globally.

 

[sandandfoam]

I have no problem at all with homosexuality.
People are who they are and God made them as they are.
I'm not going to judge anyone because I have a lot of flaws myself.
I think anyone who findes love is very lucky.

 

[tarekabdo12]

73% of psychiatrists say homosexuals are less happy than the average person, and of those psychiatrists, 70% say that the unhappiness is NOT due to social stigmatization.



37% of homosexuals engage in sadomasochism, which accounts for many accidental deaths. In San Francisco, classes were held to teach homosexuals how to not kill their partners during sadomasochism (8)
* 41% of homosexuals say they have had sex with strangers in public restrooms, 60% say they have had sex with strangers in bathhouses, and 64% of these encounters have involved the use of illegal drugs


Homosexuals aren't discriminated against in employment, so why should they be a protected class?

* The average yearly income of a homosexual is $55,430.00 (most of which is disposable because no children to take care of!). The average of the general population is $32,144.00. The average of blacks is $12,166.00 (24)
* 59.6% of homosexuals are college graduates. 18.0% of the general population are college graduates (24). Too bad they aren't smart enough to listen to God. "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 1:22)
* 49.0% of homosexuals hold professional/managerial positions. 15.9% of the general population hold such positions (24). Where's the job discrimination?

Homosexuals prey on children.

* 33% of homosexuals ADMIT to minor/adult sex (7)
* There is a notable homosexual group, consisting of thousands of members, known as the North American Man and Boy Love Association ( NAMBLA). This is a child molesting homosexual group whose cry is "SEX BEFORE 8 BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE." This group can be seen marching in most major homosexual parades across the United States
* Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molestor, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19)
* 73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age (9)
* Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: "The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality" (22)
* Because homosexuals can't reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting children. Homosexuals can be heard chanting "TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT" in their homosexual parades. A group called the "Lesbian Avengers" prides itself on trying to recruit young girls. They print "WE RECRUIT" on their literature. Some other homosexuals aren't as overt about this, but rather try to infiltrate society and get into positions where they will have access to the malleable minds of young children (e.g., the clergy, teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) (8). See the DC Lesbian Avengers web page, and DC Lesbian Avengers Press Release, where they threaten to recruit little boys and girls. Also, see AFA Action Alert.


The Statistics on Homosexuality and its Effects


So, I still think that homosexuality is not a normal behavior and that it carries so many hazards. Homosexuals suffer internally but not because of others view but because their inner pain that they reflect upon others and blame others for. Homosexuality-in my view- is a disorder like other sexual disorder and the affected person shouldn't be stigmatized but cured. Why to surrender and leave people suffer and claim that we are protecting them from psychological distress that way? Escapade doesn't solve any problem but creates more problems. The distress is from the inside not the outside but people reflect their suffering upon others for not to blame themselves and to escape from themselves, as well.

 

[tarekabdo12]

I have no problem at all with homosexuality.
People are who they are and God made them as they are.
I'm not going to judge anyone because I have a lot of flaws myself.
I think anyone who findes love is very lucky.

Well, some people find love and intimacy while having sex with children, Is that also true and right?

 

[sandandfoam]

Well, some people find love and intimacy while having sex with children, Is that also true and right?

That is a bizarre claim and there is zero foundation for conflating homosexuality with paedophilia.

On the point, there is no love, as the word is generally understood, in child abuse. It is perhaps revealing that you jump to such a loathsome form of abuse from a discussion of love.
It can be difficult to argue coherently in the face of outlandish claims so I am somewhat cautious in entering this debate because I fear a deluge is approaching.

I think that people often rail against what they fear in themselves. Splitting. I think it is often rooted in insecurity about ones own sexuality.

 

[Tamar]

Well, some people find love and intimacy while having sex with children, Is that also true and right?

That has nothing to do with homosexuality.

 

[Averroes]

I actually find it totally immoral and revolting. I also consider it destructive to the whole construction of God. In addition, I consider myself a moderate Muslim. I don't understand why you initially consider the homosexual behavior something good and doesn't deserve reproach. Actually, homosexual behavior is destructive to the psychological behavior of humans and I have discussed this before. So, the question is→ why in order to be a good Muslim I must approve homosexual behavior? Why do you consider them angels and those who doesn't accept their behavior a devil?

If you think about a moderate Muslim, you should consider his manners, they way he treats others and they way he acts in life and not to restrict his behavior in approving homosex.

Hmmm is homosexual behavior as you have described destructive, as a sociopath?

 

[Photonic]

The problem is that his specific view says that "disease" is a very appropiate word to describe homosexuality.

I would completely disagree naturaly, and if it took to have a flu to be with my gf right now I wouldn´t dump her because I sneez a little , but the fact that he indeed thinks it is a disease should be enough for him to be "unpolite" enough to say it at least in a place like this where we are meant to talk about our actual beliefs.

I would say that humans are a disease, that doesn't mean it's appropriate.

 

[Averroes]

Again, I'll spare you the details, but homosexual lovemaking works out just fine.

Eh you sure about that? Hemrrhoids don't come to mind

 

[Averroes]

I would say that humans are a disease, that doesn't mean it's appropriate.

Actually more like a parasite

 

[Photonic]

Actually more like a parasite

True.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

The problem is that his specific view says that "disease" is a very appropiate word to describe homosexuality.

I think that worshipping a text as holy is a sort of mental disease. Seriously. But when I discuss religion with others -- especially when talking to People of the Book -- I don't refer to bibliolatry as a disease. Usually not. It seems pretty disrespectful to do that.

 

[sandandfoam]

I think that worshipping a text as holy is a sort of mental disease.

'Mental disease'?
Care to expand?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

'Mental disease'?
Care to expand?

Hey, I am nothing if not an expansive guy.

I think that we wake up one day and find ourselves in a world which we need to try and understand. How do we do that? Well, we observe and we cogitate, adjusting our worldviews as we experience this place.

But it's frightening to think that we, individually, are responsible for figuring things out. So most of us cast about for some kind of Authority. We need someone to tell us the Truth. That usually means embracing some collection of Sacred Words. We imagine that once there was a man who could communicate directly with God. And this man wrote down what God said to him and left those Writings behind when he died... to guide us.

To my mind, this whole concept is a delusion. That's all I'm saying. I think that in the end, we are still each individually responsible for figuring out what this world means. Embracing a Prophet or Scripture is simply comfort-thought.

Just my opinion, of course. I am not speaking for God here.

 

[sandandfoam]

To my mind, this whole concept is a delusion. That's all I'm saying.

I understand your pov - but I don't see that it constitutes 'disease'.

I think that in the end, we are still each individually responsible for figuring out what this world means

I agree.

Embracing a Prophet or Scripture is simply comfort-thought.

I don't agree.
But, for arguments sake, let's say it is simply-comfort thought - surely if it works it's a good thing?
I'd take a placebo effect any day of the week if I were sick.

Just my opinion, of course.

Of course.

 

[Photonic]

Just my opinion, of course. I am not speaking for God here.

There! Right there!

That explains this entire thread!

 

[tarekabdo12]

I'll just simply say that a wise judicious mind would realize that males and females were created for each others and for the happiness of both. Any deviation from this way is apparently abnormal. It's like when when you say that the mouth is adapted for feeding and the nose for breathing so when you use our mouth for breathing problems arise. It's so simple and clear like this fact but people don't want to see and avert confronting their problems and mistakes.

 

[Photonic]

I'll just simply say that a wise judicious mind would realize that males and females were created for each others and for the happiness of both. Any deviation from this way is apparently abnormal. It's like when when you say that the mouth is adapted for feeding and the nose for breathing so when you use our mouth for breathing problems arise. It's so simple and clear like this fact but people don't want to see and avert confronting their problems and mistakes.

They seem happy enough to me, it's people who look down on them that cause it.

I didn't realize you are the sole authority on what is wise or judicious.

 

[tarekabdo12]

I wanted to mention that anybody can be attracted to genital organs whether of males and females because that's how it goes. But it's different totally from having sex with them as it involves emotions and sense. Sex speaks with your own souls. The sex scenes keep for long in the minds of humans and remain for a time to stimulate the brains. That's why the sex scenes should be always avoided, I mean porn and things like that. Porn may engrave these scenes in to the brains of humans and push them to do acts similar to what they see. That's because sexual scenes are so provocative and remain in the mind for while. I can ascribe some of the false attraction towards the same sex to these scenes as a starting point for homo sex. However, sex is not just physical, it's totally emotional. Being aroused by the same genitals can occur normally with everyone and that doesn't mean this is same-sex attraction. However, those who leave themselves to try can easily engage in this type of sexual behavior. It's just like how other deviations from normal sexual behavior occurs.

 

[tarekabdo12]

They seem happy enough to me, it's people who look down on them that cause it.

I didn't realize you are the sole authority on what is wise or judicious.

It's how I think and how you think. Do whatever you want, I don't like arguing in this way.