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Is this one actually real? I thought it was a WikiIslam thing or from a weaker hadith. Source?
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Miracles in the Quran
- Thread starter Yuusif12
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Apparently, according to Islamic legend, one wing has a poison, the other has the cure. That is why you have to dunk the whole fly in. (Ewwww.)
Sees
Dragonslayer
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Yeah, this is the same one I've heard, but I never knew where it was found. Is it really found in Bukhari?
Of interest, maybe:
Islamic science has come to this pitiful end » Pharyngula
All I've really seen on this when Googling is from "answering Islam", "answering Christianity", "WikiIslam", and forums, really.
The outer surface of flies contains antibiotics killing bacteria and viruses. Because the flies come into so much contact with germs
The best way to release (liberate) these antibiotics is to dip the fly in the liquid.
1- Danny Kingsley , The new buzz on antibiotics, ABC.net.au, 1 October 2002.
2- Fruit Flies May Pave Way To New Treatments For Age-related Heart Disease, Burnham Institute, 2007.
3- The ointment in the fly: antibiotics, The Economist, December 3, 1994.
4- Protein in Fly Saliva Speeds Healing of Incisions, Wounds, Auburn University, 23 Jan 2005.
5- Fruit Fly Insight Could Lead To New Vaccines, Stanford University, March 11, 2007.
6- The fly effect: Russian scientists invent new medicine with the help of flies, St. Petersburg State University, 2006.
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(Then He turned to the sky when it was smoke)
The best way to release (liberate) these antibiotics is to dip the fly in the liquid.
1- Danny Kingsley , The new buzz on antibiotics, ABC.net.au, 1 October 2002.
2- Fruit Flies May Pave Way To New Treatments For Age-related Heart Disease, Burnham Institute, 2007.
3- The ointment in the fly: antibiotics, The Economist, December 3, 1994.
4- Protein in Fly Saliva Speeds Healing of Incisions, Wounds, Auburn University, 23 Jan 2005.
5- Fruit Fly Insight Could Lead To New Vaccines, Stanford University, March 11, 2007.
6- The fly effect: Russian scientists invent new medicine with the help of flies, St. Petersburg State University, 2006.
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(Then He turned to the sky when it was smoke)
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WikiIslam quotes all its sources. A simple Google search for "Islam fly disease" tells us what source it is. In this case the source is Sahih Bukhari 4:54:537:
This issue is explored in detail with references at Wikiislam if you search "Diseases and Cures in the Wings of Houseflies"
It took me 5 seconds to Google "Islam fly hadith".
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The fact that no one at that time could bring anything like it.
And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful.
The Almighty said: (Then He turned to the sky when it was smoke) separated 11:
These verses were mentioned in the conference: Scientific miracles of the Qur'an, which was held in Cairo, and when a Japanese professor (Yoshidi Kosei) heard that verse he got surprised and said, this stunning fact did not reach scientists until very recently, after cameras caught a star, which is composed of a large mass of thick dark smoke. And then he said before this, we based stars forming on a false hypotheses that the sky was fog. and said this may be added to the miracles of the Quran.
And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful.
The Almighty said: (Then He turned to the sky when it was smoke) separated 11:
These verses were mentioned in the conference: Scientific miracles of the Qur'an, which was held in Cairo, and when a Japanese professor (Yoshidi Kosei) heard that verse he got surprised and said, this stunning fact did not reach scientists until very recently, after cameras caught a star, which is composed of a large mass of thick dark smoke. And then he said before this, we based stars forming on a false hypotheses that the sky was fog. and said this may be added to the miracles of the Quran.
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Looncall
Well-Known Member
Stars have nothing top do with smoke or fog, but rather with nuclear reactions.
This sort of islamic blather is beneath contemptible. I am amazed that muslims are so ignorant that they do not realize this.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
This is actually one of my favorite hoaxes. It might sound plausible to primitive people who thought the world was flat, like a rolled out carpet, to people on the Saudi Peninsula who well aware of tent pegs. Contrary to this passage, the mountains do not stop the ground from shaking or moving.
So am I understanding this right? If the quaran manages to get something right it is a miracle? Farbeit that be it for them to have real knowledge and science to put in the book, it must have come from god?
Here is a gem from the quran that says to wash hands, must have come from god, people couldnt have just figured that out being a civilization and all?
Here is a gem from the quran that says to wash hands, must have come from god, people couldnt have just figured that out being a civilization and all?
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
this touches on one of the things that has always bothered me about certain Muslims who promote the ignorance of Mohammed (and in really extreme cases Islam and humanity in general) in order to convince themselves of the "authenticity" of the Koran.
Mycroft
Ministry of Serendipity
AmbiguousGuy
Well-Known Member
But the earth certainly does move under mountains. Do you know anything about plate tectonics?
Look at the Hawaiian islands for an example. They have mountains on them, yet they all move.
suzy smith
Life is for having fun
What I would like to know is this. For many years I have debated with Christians and have had some very good debates.
Then about a year ago I got my copy of the Qur'an and started trying to understand this religion and debate with Muslims but it’s a very different experience. As can be seen here with this debate there is no reasoning whatsoever with them most of the time.
Its all a bit unnerving to me.
Then about a year ago I got my copy of the Qur'an and started trying to understand this religion and debate with Muslims but it’s a very different experience. As can be seen here with this debate there is no reasoning whatsoever with them most of the time.
Its all a bit unnerving to me.
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I know I can't convince you to believe like this. Even if an angel came and slapped you on the face you would still dismiss it as hallucination.
Regarding those who disbelieved, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. * God hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
Regarding those who disbelieved, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. * God hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
suzy smith
Life is for having fun
O.K. why has God set a seal on my heart then. What have I done except not listen to you tell me you are right without any real evidence? And if an angel slaps me on my face I will first go ouch! and then listen to him. I am an atheist not an idiot.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Wow.
You must think really highly of yourself .
I mean, the arrogance you show thinking you can unseal the hearts and hearing of those god himself has sealed....
Who else is it told has such arrogance?
AmbiguousGuy
Well-Known Member
Or maybe you've just made a mistake and believe in a God who isn't real.
And maybe now you are angry that other people won't make the same mistake. So you claim that they have hardened their hearts against the truth and they will suffer greatly for refusing to embrace the same God as you embrace.
Maybe that is the reality here?