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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Redemptionsong, Oct 15, 2018.

  1. Redemptionsong

    Redemptionsong Well-Known Member

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    Maybe it would be wiser to ask, What have the Raelians ever done for us?
    In Acts 5:33 there is a passage in which we are told the Sanhedrin sat to pass judgment of death on Peter and the apostles. Verses 34-40 reads, 'Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men. For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who were slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought. After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed. And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God. And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.'

    Based on the wisdom of Gamaliel, and the Sanhedrin's decision, I suggest that the apostles must have been doing a work of God. So maybe Tanna debe Elyyahu was correct in his teaching after all. We do live in the Messianic era, and we are still in the sixth millennium.

    So what will indicate that the exile of Israel is over?
     
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    Wait, what? I can ask "what have the Christians ever done for me"? Great. The same as the Raelians have done for you. You both are as real to me as the other. And then citing a text with no use to prove your point? Two times zero is still zero.
    Mostly, not being in exile.
     
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    Interesting. I don't wish to get into a prolonged historical debate but scripture teaches me that God has allowed exiled Israel/Judah to be afflicted over the past two thousand years. In that same time, grace has been shown to Gentiles and Jews who receive Christ Jesus as Lord. And, overall, I would argue that the world would be a far worse place had the Church, or body of Christ, not existed!

    But, in furtherance of your point about exile, I cannot understand who is preventing the return of Jews to their land. Exile is, by definition, a prevention or barring of a people from return, but who is stopping the Jewish exiles from return at the present time? And is 1948 not a significant point in Israel's history?
     
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    So the tool of oppression should celebrate its role. Huzzah.
    So you say. I disagree, mostly because what you just said makes no sense to me on many, many levels.
    Yes, you would argue that.
    Nothing and everything. Exile is far more complex that you think it is when you rely on a dictionary definition. But you wouldn't do that, would you?
    Oh. Um...
    Sadly, even those who return don't always return. As I said, there is a lot more to it.
    Yes! And some see it as a piece in a puzzle that will lead to the end of the exile. So we keep hoping, every day, but still, not yet.
     
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    All nations have been used as a tool of oppression against the Jews, but the true Church is not a nation, nor is it an established denomination. The invisible body of Christ is made up of individual believers from all nations; people who recognize their Christ and Saviour, and His origins (both earthly and heavenly).

    The body of Christ, like the Jews, has also been hated by the world. But in Christ there is a victory over sin and death, which at present, Jews living under law cannot claim.

    But in Zechariah 12:9,10 it states, 'And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.'
    As it says in Revelation 1:7 'Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.'
     
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    Sure Jews can. And we do.
     
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    Well, I guess this is at the root of our differences.

    Romans 3:10-12 (Psalms 14/53) 'As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.'

    This is how the apostle Paul (a former Pharisee) explains our justification.
    'Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forebearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
    Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.'
     
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    Rosends, Tumah, my blessing to you both comes from Numbers 6:25.
    'The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:'
    I understand this to be the blessing of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
    Amen.
     
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