Many Hispanics bring us Fascism. These people are Amazing!

[Spiderman]

Stalin's early intervention saved Europe from Hitler, and under him Soviet Russia rapidly achieved staggering scientific heights. It's not like it was all, entirely, purely bad, but WWII taught us that extreme totalitarian autocrats, Left and Right alike, all suck. Mao is not without his supporters and admirers, but the man was still guilty of genocide among other crimes. Che Guevara fought against Capitalist and Imperialist oppression. He also advocated, promoted, and attempted to pursued Stalin into pursuing total and global nuclear war so they could build a communist utopia from the ashes. The Bushido of Japanese, fiercely loyal, highly tradition, many admirable traits, they still butchered the Chinese and today the problems with their Conservativism manifests in ways such as any discussions of mental illness being strongly taboo, even among one's family. I can praise Mitch Daniels for being the first governor in America to tell Westboro Baptist Church they couldn't conduct their funeral protests anywhere near a funeral proceeding, but that doesn't excuse the bad stuff he did, such as seeing Prozac as a cash cow instead of medicine when he was an executive of Elli Lilly.

Unlike most politicians, Mussolini could knock most people out in the ring. He was a street fighter, a fencer, and a seasoned sword dueller. He was a total bad a$$ but also a gifted writer and extremely intelligent. The Italian people were in need of a strong leader , and he was the guy.

He marched on Rome and dismantled the cradle of democracy without bloodshed or coup. He wrote the Doctrine of a stronger government, restored order, brought economic miracles, made Italians proud, motivated the demoralized, created jobs, gave Farmers free land, created many beautiful structures, created excitement, entertainment, euphoria, patriotism, and restored Italy to much of the glory that she used to have.

That is extremely impressive and could only be accomplished by a person who is most gifted and a genius.

Those things should be acknowledged.

 

[Spiderman]

Vanakkam,




No.

Let me tell you what good fascism brought to my peaceful farmers family on my mom's side:

Franco exterminated them. Men, women, childrens. He wiped almost all my family tree.

My grandmother and grandfather emigrated to France, without a job, or even speaking french. They had to flee their village and Home country still grieving their family members, they had to run to a foreign land they didn't know and didn't want to go just for a chance to stay alive.

They had to learn a new language, took menial and humiliating job to feed their 5 children.

They were working days and nights to pay Roof, clothes, éducation and food for my mom and aunts, more than once during the week they did not eat dinner and went to bed hungry, because there wasn't enough food and they gave it all to their children.

My grandfather painted buildings, my grandmother cleaned homes by day and the hospital morgue by night. Those weren't even offical jobs, it was 95% poorly paid under the table, because hey, immigrants without éducation, ew ew !

They didn't choose this. Fascism did that.

So your quote ? Yeah, no. Tell that around my grandma/grandpa/aunts/mother and they'll Beat the **** out of you.

Those who dream of fascism never had to live under it... Those who did want to never see fascism again.

Weird, uh ?

Aum Namah Shivaya

I'm sorry to hear what they went through. Franco would never have had to go to extremes were it not for the civil war and the threat of communism. Franco was trying to purge his country of communism, and I admit that he became somewhat of a monster in the process.

Communists in Spain were cutting off priests hands so they couldn't say Mass and raping nuns till they blasphemed then shooting them in the head before they could repent. They were forcing Catholics to eat feces for Holy Communion. Franco had to go to the extreme to deal with that gangrene limb that needed to be severed.

 

[Spiderman]

Vanakkam,




No.

Let me tell you what good fascism brought to my peaceful farmers family on my mom's side:

Franco exterminated them. Men, women, childrens. He wiped almost all my family tree.

My grandmother and grandfather emigrated to France, without a job, or even speaking french. They had to flee their village and Home country still grieving their family members, they had to run to a foreign land they didn't know and didn't want to go just for a chance to stay alive.

They had to learn a new language, took menial and humiliating job to feed their 5 children.

They were working days and nights to pay Roof, clothes, éducation and food for my mom and aunts, more than once during the week they did not eat dinner and went to bed hungry, because there wasn't enough food and they gave it all to their children.

My grandfather painted buildings, my grandmother cleaned homes by day and the hospital morgue by night. Those weren't even offical jobs, it was 95% poorly paid under the table, because hey, immigrants without éducation, ew ew !

They didn't choose this. Fascism did that.

So your quote ? Yeah, no. Tell that around my grandma/grandpa/aunts/mother and they'll Beat the **** out of you.

Those who dream of fascism never had to live under it... Those who did want to never see fascism again.

Weird, uh ?

Aum Namah Shivaya

Franco's decisions are a reflection of a man who wanted communism out of his country at all costs, not a reflection of fascism. I can prove to you that Catholicism is a fascist religion.

 

[Spiderman]

For all you know, Franco may have saved Spain from becoming another country like North Korea.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

He marched on Rome and dismantled the cradle of democracy without bloodshed or coup. He wrote the Doctrine of a stronger government, restored order, brought economic miracles, made Italians proud, motivated the demoralized, created jobs, gave Farmers free land, created many beautiful structures, created excitement, entertainment, euphoria, patriotism, and restored Italy to much of the glory that she used to have.

Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Vlad Tsepesh, Ghengis Skahn, ancient Spartans, Gilded-era Capitalists, dictators, military lead, brutal warlords, and genocidal bloodthirsty autocrats can claim much of the same. They have empires that appear golden, but it's only a golden cover and underneath is an empire built on bones and blood.

 

[Spiderman]

Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Vlad Tsepesh, Ghengis Skahn, ancient Spartans, Gilded-era Capitalists, dictators, military lead, brutal warlords, and genocidal bloodthirsty autocrats can claim much of the same. They have empires that appear golden, but it's only a golden cover and underneath is an empire built on bones and blood.

Mussolini is unique though because he conquered a first world democracy without bloodshed or coup and wrote his own Doctrine that proved to be far greater than democracy. I know of no leader who was more loved by his people. Figures like Winston Churchill and Gandhi a admired him very much, he was a favorite of Time magazine, he made Italy great again, and when his march on Rome succeeded, The streets of America filled with cheering fans.

I think geniuses who have accomplished what Mussolini accomplished should be recognized for their Good deeds despite their faults, including communists. Who are my least favorite.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Mussolini is unique though because he conquered a first world democracy without bloodshed or coup and wrote his own Doctrine that proved to be far greater than democracy. I know of no leader who was more loved by his people. Figures like Winston Churchill and Gandhi a admired him very much, he was a favorite of Time magazine, he made Italy great again, and when his march on Rome succeeded, The streets of America filled with cheering fans.

I think geniuses who have accomplished what Mussolini accomplished should be recognized for their Good deeds despite their faults, including communists. Who are my least favorite.

Western superpowers thought Hitler was a swell guy. Vlad Dracul III is still considered a national hero. The Uns have their own pseudo-religious cult and are beloved. Abusers are often loved by those who abuse them.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

As the youngin's of today would say, Hitler and Mussolini were BFFs.

Hitler idolized Mussolini, and Mussolini was a racist, especially as he developed the ideology more, believing that Italians were a Mediterranean branch of the "Aryan race" that needed to be "saved from race-mixing". The Nazis were mostly Nordicists but that tendency wavered in popularity. Hitler actually admired the history and culture of the Italians more than he did the Germans. Fascism and Nazism are both ideologies with many inconsistencies. Neither of them are based on logic or facts, after all. For example, the Nazis hated Slavs, yet they allied with the Croatians, who are Slavs. The Italian Fascists did create very racist laws that also persecuted Jews, stripping them of citizenship and barring them from teaching government jobs. Someone is just in denial because these are inconvenient facts for him.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The Nazis weren't fascist, so they demonstrated nothing of the sort. They did, however, display the same nationalism, same unity, and same "for god and country" mentality that Fascist did. The Nazis differed, slightly, in that they took racial purity, superiority, inferiority, promotion, and cleansing to a level we may have never seen before.

Nazism can be considered a branch of Fascism. It's part of the same milieu as Integral Nationalism, Falangism, the Croatian Ustaše, the Romanian Iron Guard and other authoritarian, ultranationalist movements. They all share the same fundamental features. Even Hitler preferred the history of ancient Rome over that of the Germans, and Fascist tries to ape the Roman Empire.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I can prove to you that Catholicism is a fascist religion.

And look at how much war, oppression, violence, and superstitious nonsense they made into the law of the land?

 

[tytlyf]

Many hispanics have high birth rates because they are devout catholics. To catholics, condoms are forbidden. And I'm sure that would involve abortion as well.

Odd thread

 

[Spiderman]

Hitler idolized Mussolini, and Mussolini was a racist, especially as he developed the ideology more, believing that Italians were a Mediterranean branch of the "Aryan race" that needed to be "saved from race-mixing". The Nazis were mostly Nordicists but that tendency wavered in popularity. Hitler actually admired the history and culture of the Italians more than he did the Germans. Fascism and Nazism are both ideologies with many inconsistencies. Neither of them are based on logic or facts, after all. For example, the Nazis hated Slavs, yet they allied with the Croatians, who are Slavs. The Italian Fascists did create very racist laws that also persecuted Jews, stripping them of citizenship and barring them from teaching government jobs. Someone is just in denial because these are inconvenient facts for him.

I'm not in denial of Mussolini's errors.

However, Italian Fascism was not racist — at least not until its fatal alliance with German National Socialism. There is nothing racist about fascism. You and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm not in denial of Mussolini's errors.

However, Italian Fascism was not racist — at least not until its fatal alliance with German National Socialism. There is nothing racist about fascism. You and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

The Catholic Church itself has a long history of racism against the Jews, bitter blood feuds against Muslims, and they had it out for other Christians as well. Fascism itself isn't any better than National Socialism, and the two are closely related cousins. Maybe brothers. They didn't take care of minorities, they didn't treat them well, they often heavily persecuted them, oppressed them, repressed them, and killed them.

 

[MikeDwight]

Well the Spanish certainly look down on the Latin American, which looks down on the Presbyterian, who at least can look down on the Presbyterian Africans. Presbyterian Mexico now denounces and excommunicates Nigeria.

 

[Spiderman]

Hitler convinced Mussolini that Jews were leftist political enemies and enemies of the Catholic faith. The persecution had a lot to do with political and religious leaning associated with Jews.

Mussolini had a fatal error that wasn't what his party stood for nor was it founded on. Many men would have been lead astray in his position by the threat of communism and Hitler's economic and military might which was greatest in the world.

 

[Spiderman]

The Catholic Church itself has a long history of racism against the Jews, .

The Catholic church was founded by a Jew who had 12 Jewish apostles. Catholicism has nothing against the Jewish race, but the persecutions were over religious differences. I'm not defending the churches actions.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The Catholic church was founded by a Jew who had 12 Jewish apostles.

Jesus didn't establish a church. He began a ministry. Jesus said sell your possessions and give the money to the poor. The Catholic Church, which came long after Jesus' time, has made a career of hoarding possessions and wealth alike.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The Catholic church was founded by a Jew who had 12 Jewish apostles. Catholicism has nothing against the Jewish race, but the persecutions were over religious differences. I'm not defending the churches actions.

Jews in Spain were persecuted on ethnic, not religious grounds as they were persecuted even after they converted to Catholicism (which was usually by force).

 

[Spiderman]

Jews in Spain were persecuted on ethnic, not religious grounds as they were persecuted even after they converted to Catholicism (which was usually by force).

The church is not responsible for everything individual Catholics or catholic leaders have done.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The church is not responsible for everything individual Catholics or catholic leaders have done.

Sure, it is. "The Church" is not some abstract concept. It's an organization made up of human beings. Those human beings chose to propagate hatred of other human beings and persecute them in its name. Let's not forget what the Spanish did to the native peoples of the Americas with the blessings of the clergy, too.