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Many Hispanics bring us Fascism. These people are Amazing!

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Hispanics have a very high birth rate. That is a Fascist value, for Mussolini and his Fascist regime wanted as many children as possible, and paid women to have huge families.

The Mexican Fascist party was made up of conservative Catholics opposed to socialism, liberalism, and was modeled after Italian Fascism. Roman Catholicism is a Fascist Religion which I've proven on other threads. The very Independent Vatican City state was founded by a Fascist Regime that was Identical to the Pope on Faith and morals. The Doctrine of Fascism declares that Fascists have a duty to not be indifferent to Roman Catholicism but to defend her.

My point being, Hispanics on average embrace a Fascist Religion and Fascist values like big families, ban on abortion and porn, disapproval of divorce, etc. When I lived in a wet house in Minneapolis, the only Church I went to was Hispanic. I could not understand the liturgy, but these people were fervent, crawling on their knees to images of our lady of Guadalupe, and zealous for the faith. They were far more fervent Catholics than what I see in predominately white parishes.

They also lay siege to abortion clinics, praying passionate Rosaries and fervent prayers outside the clinics with images of our Lady of Guadalupe, begging women to not terminate the pregnancy, and are active in pro-life marches. That is a Fascist agenda and quality. The more Hispanics there are in the USA, the more pro-lifers there will be.

I have worked with many illegal immigrants in Mexico and they are very hard workers. I admire the work ethic I have seen in Hispanic people more than what I've seen in Caucasians. These people work!

Hispanics on average, have a fanatic devotion to our Lady of Guadalupe who they call "Empress of America". They have her images everywhere and want all America to pay homage to her and recognize her as their Queen. The image Mary left on Juan Diego's Tilma converted 15 million Aztecs to Catholicism in a relatively short time, which was the largest conversion of a single group of people to one Religion in the History of Religion. 10 million pilgrims visit our lady of Guadalupe Shrine every year.
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I'm aware of the Cult of Tonantzin.
Hispanic Zeal for their Empress does not wither when they convert to Protestantism (which most of them don't). Protestant Pastors who have Hispanic converts realize they are not going to abandoned devotion to our Lady of Guadalupe, and so Hispanics are bringing Marian devotion to Protestant denominations who wanted nothing to do with her. It's incredible.

"Hispanics account for 71 percent of the growth of the Catholic population in the United States since 1960. Hispanics are the oldest Catholic group in the land and their growth has been steady for more than a century.
A majority of U.S. Catholics under 18 are Hispanic
. The median age of Hispanics is 28, significantly younger than White (43), Asian (36), and Black (33) populations. About half of Hispanics are younger than 30.
About 60 percent of all U.S. Catholics younger than 18 are Hispanic. Of that population, 93 percent were born in the United States. Most young Hispanics remain significantly influenced by their immigrant families, retaining their faith, culture and language
About half of all Catholic millennials are Hispanic
The language of Pope Francis’ pontificate (e.g., missionary discipleship, small faith communities, a church that goes out, etc.) is almost second nature to Hispanic immigrants involved in evangelizing activities in their countries of origin.


Also, hundreds of thousands of Hispanic immigrants are associated with the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, a movement that originated in the United States As they find a home in Catholic parishes nationwide, many bring with them a Latin American style of this spirituality that is renewing entire communities. Nearly half of all parishes with Hispanic ministry have a Catholic Charismatic Renewal community.
Hispanic Catholics offer innovative approaches to evangelization. The Fifth National Encuentro of Hispanic/Latino Ministry (V Encuentro) is a four-year process of ecclesial reflection, consultation and evangelization (2017 to 2020).


The process is driven by a well-defined methodology. It starts by listening to Hispanic Catholics and others at the grass roots who spent some time meeting other Catholics living on the peripheries of church and society. What is heard is then discussed in prayer and reflection in small faith communities. Then large meetings—also called Encuentros―at the parish, diocesan, regional and national levels serve as a way to distill the wisdom gathered during several months of listening and discernment. Faith communities identify pastoral priorities and commitments. The process provides the perfect background for pastoral planning.

More than anything, the V Encuentro is a process of evangelization that aims at renewing the nearly 5,000 parish communities currently engaged in it. It hopes to involve at least one million Catholics, mostly Hispanic, and identify at least 20,000 new Hispanic pastoral leaders. Although the initial timeframe is four years, the spirit of Encuentro will likely inspire many conversations well into the future.

The process of the V Encuentro focuses primarily on the Hispanic Catholic experience, but it is for the entire church in the United States The model could become a standard for evangelization initiatives across Catholic communities. It draws from the Scriptures and from centuries of missionary and evangelizing wisdom.

Hispanics ... find themselves in a unique position to build the foundations of U.S. Catholicism.

The redefinition of American Catholicism in the 21st century—driven in great part by the fast-growing Hispanic presence—is a true blessing and opportunity for all. Five centuries ago, Hispanics planted the first seeds of Catholicism in this land.
10 ways Hispanics are redefining American Catholicism in the 21st century

My experience with Hispanic Catholics is they are very strong, devout, zealous, penitent, humble, hard-working people.

Catholicism and Fascism were completely cozy, one in mind, heart, will, and completely identical in faith and morals. Nothing exalted Catholicism and the Papacy more than Mussolini's Fascist Regime. The Pope called him the man of God's providence. Roman Catholicism and Fascism are so intertwined they cannot be separated.

These lovely people are soldiers for Christ and Our Lady of Guadalupe, Empress of America! They will not relent!
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
What's good about fascism? People like us, you and I, Pope, typically don't fair well under those systems and often end up dead because we're a burden/drain/disease/moral filth on society. Freedom and liberties are heavily and vastly restricted, might becomes right, and society becomes a Borg-like collective bent on domination and superiority.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
What's good about fascism? People like us, you and I, Pope, typically don't fair well under those systems and often end up dead because we're a burden/drain/disease/moral filth on society. Freedom and liberties are heavily and vastly restricted, might becomes right, and society becomes a Borg-like collective bent on domination and superiority.
Fascism has proven to be stronger than Democracy. Italy was in turmoil under Democracy. After Mussolini marched on Rome and instituted Fascism, Italy flourished, Italy weathered the great depression well, the Economy was great, there were more jobs, there was more fervor, euphoria, and patriotism. People like you and I would be fine if we didn't fight the regime. There were many charities in Italy where the poor were taken care of. Mussolini's bad decisions that lead to his demise had nothing to do with Fascism. Death camps and forced labor camps and euthanizing the mentally ill and infirm and forced sterilizations have nothing to do with Fascism. Racism has nothing to do with Fascism and there were Jews in the highest positions of the original fascist party. The soul of Fascism is contained in the Doctrine of Fascism, which is peaceful, thoughtful, spiritual, intelligent, and charitable with the exception of it's approach to Communism.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
That has nothing to do with fascism. That was an error in Mussolini's judgment. he sided with Hitler because he thought the two of them could destroy communism and the Soviet Union. As I've already said, Jews were members of the original fascist party. There is nothing racist in the doctrine of fascism.
Mussolini had been moving towards that for years. It wasn't some radical change in his thinking.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
People like you and I would be fine if we didn't fight the regime.
Italian fascists, if they wouldn't have killed you, would have sterilized you, probably confined you, and at best you'd hardly be better off than livestock. I'm trans and mentally ill, and queers didn't fair well under fascism either. It wouldn't matter if we opposed the system or not. Our lives would be deemed unworthy. It's based on racism, extreme nationalism, totalitarian control over citizens, and those who are "lesser" and "other" are at the mercy of the lions.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Mussolini had been moving towards that for years. It wasn't some radical change in his thinking.
I don't believe that. The Nazi regime was very angry at Italy for not rounding up Jews.

Mussolini did not like Adolf Hitler. Italians were not part of Hitler's Master race. Mussolini did not want Hitler to annex Austria or invade Poland. He spoke of the Nazi regime as being barbaric.

when so many nations fell to hitler and France was about to fall to Hitler, it looks like Hitler was going to win the war.

Mussolini entered the war largely because he thought him and Hitler could take out the Soviet Union and rid the world of communism.

Much of Mussolini's thoughts and actions are not a reflection of fascism.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
That has nothing to do with fascism. That was an error in Mussolini's judgment. he sided with Hitler because he thought the two of them could destroy communism and the Soviet Union. As I've already said, Jews were members of the original fascist party. There is nothing racist in the doctrine of fascism.
As the youngin's of today would say, Hitler and Mussolini were BFFs.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Italian fascists, if they wouldn't have killed you, would have sterilized you, probably confined you, and at best you'd hardly be better off than livestock. I'm trans and mentally ill, and queers didn't fair well under fascism either. It wouldn't matter if we opposed the system or not. Our lives would be deemed unworthy. It's based on racism, extreme nationalism, totalitarian control over citizens, and those who are "lesser" and "other" are at the mercy of the lions.
like the vast majority of people, you demonstrate that you don't know what fascism is. I've actually studied the doctrine of fascism and fascist values thoroughly. If you want to know the faith and morals of fascism, it is identical to the faith and morals of the Catholic Church.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
He admired a great many things about Hitler and the Nazis, such as their army's goose-step march. The Nazis demonstrated the very image of what symbolizes Fascism.
Nazis demonstrated a very perverted form of fascism that had nothing to do with what fascist Italy was about for over 15 years. No racism...no super race contained in fascist doctrine

Also, Fascist Italy was allied with the Catholic Church. Hitler was a severe persecutor of the Catholic Church.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
like the vast majority of people, you demonstrate that you don't know what fascism is. I've actually studied the doctrine of fascism and fascist values thoroughly. If you want to know the faith and morals of fascism, it is identical to the faith and morals of the Catholic Church.
The faith and morals of the Catholic Church aren't necessarily admirable. They did, after all, exploit the teachings of a man who loathed, hated, and despised gaudy displays, hoarding wealth, and flashing the cash all so they could themselves shower themselves with lavish lives, exuberant wealth, and pompous comfort. Trying to say Mussolini can be salvaged is like trying to say Stalinism can be salvaged. They did accomplish some very impressive things, but much like feudalism, divine right of kings, mandatory church attendance, and money-based societies, the ways of Mussolini and Stalin are best left in the past where they belong.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Nazis demonstrated a very perverted form of fascism
The Nazis weren't fascist, so they demonstrated nothing of the sort. They did, however, display the same nationalism, same unity, and same "for god and country" mentality that Fascist did. The Nazis differed, slightly, in that they took racial purity, superiority, inferiority, promotion, and cleansing to a level we may have never seen before.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
The faith and morals of the Catholic Church aren't necessarily admirable. They did, after all, exploit the teachings of a man who loathed, hated, and despised gaudy displays, hoarding wealth, and flashing the cash all so they could themselves shower themselves with lavish lives, exuberant wealth, and pompous comfort. Trying to say Mussolini can be salvaged is like trying to say Stalinism can be salvaged. They did accomplish some very impressive things, but much like feudalism, divine right of kings, mandatory church attendance, and money-based societies, the ways of Mussolini and Stalin are best left in the past where they belong.
I don't believe everything I hear about Mussolini. The winners rewrite history. I trust the book I read about him that was written by somebody who knew him since he was 7 years old, his wife Rachel.

She does not cover his faults, and was fighting him the whole time. However, there was a whole nother side to the man. He accomplished much good and had courage and strength and ingenuity that almost no men have.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
She does not cover his faults, and was fighting him the whole time. However, there was a whole nother side to the man. He accomplished much good and had courage and strength and ingenuity that almost no men have.
Stalin's early intervention saved Europe from Hitler, and under him Soviet Russia rapidly achieved staggering scientific heights. It's not like it was all, entirely, purely bad, but WWII taught us that extreme totalitarian autocrats, Left and Right alike, all suck. Mao is not without his supporters and admirers, but the man was still guilty of genocide among other crimes. Che Guevara fought against Capitalist and Imperialist oppression. He also advocated, promoted, and attempted to pursued Stalin into pursuing total and global nuclear war so they could build a communist utopia from the ashes. The Bushido of Japanese, fiercely loyal, highly tradition, many admirable traits, they still butchered the Chinese and today the problems with their Conservativism manifests in ways such as any discussions of mental illness being strongly taboo, even among one's family. I can praise Mitch Daniels for being the first governor in America to tell Westboro Baptist Church they couldn't conduct their funeral protests anywhere near a funeral proceeding, but that doesn't excuse the bad stuff he did, such as seeing Prozac as a cash cow instead of medicine when he was an executive of Elli Lilly.
 

Nyingjé Tso

Tänpa Yungdrung zhab pä tän gyur jig
Vanakkam,

My point being, Hispanics on average embrace a Fascist Religion and Fascist values


No.

Let me tell you what good fascism brought to my peaceful farmers family on my mom's side:

Franco exterminated them. Men, women, childrens. He wiped almost all my family tree.

My grandmother and grandfather emigrated to France, without a job, or even speaking french. They had to flee their village and Home country still grieving their family members, they had to run to a foreign land they didn't know and didn't want to go just for a chance to stay alive.

They had to learn a new language, took menial and humiliating job to feed their 5 children.

They were working days and nights to pay Roof, clothes, éducation and food for my mom and aunts, more than once during the week they did not eat dinner and went to bed hungry, because there wasn't enough food and they gave it all to their children.

My grandfather painted buildings, my grandmother cleaned homes by day and the hospital morgue by night. Those weren't even offical jobs, it was 95% poorly paid under the table, because hey, immigrants without éducation, ew ew !

They didn't choose this. Fascism did that.

So your quote ? Yeah, no. Tell that around my grandma/grandpa/aunts/mother and they'll Beat the **** out of you.

Those who dream of fascism never had to live under it... Those who did want to never see fascism again.

Weird, uh ?

Aum Namah Shivaya
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I knew there was a Fatal Attraction of Adolf Hitler, but Mexican Benito Mussolini's???

Now this is something new.
 
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