What is free.will?
The ability to do otherwise.
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What is free.will?
The ability to do otherwise.
And how do we determin what is our nature and what is other wise.
Says who?Nor can we manipulate our subconscious minds,
Says who?
LOL, ask the marketing folks, not the psychologists.I'm pretty sure psychology says that. If not I would be forever thankful if you can provide sources showing it to be false.
How would you classify the placebo effect?
in regards to determinism and free willWhat do you mean "classify" it?
If we couldn't manipulate subconscious desires and habits, psychology would be useless.I'm pretty sure psychology says that. If not I would be forever thankful if you can provide sources showing it to be false.
in regards to determinism and free will
If we couldn't manipulate subconscious desires and habits, psychology would be useless.
The placebo has no real effect. We have chosen to convince ourselves otherwise.It's irrelevant. Whether determinism or free will are true, the placebo effect is the same. Whether we choose to convince ourselves of something or have no other choice, the placebo effect is still the placebo effect.
The phrase "we manipulate our conscious minds" is essentially free will for most people.Says who? We can manipulate our conscious minds after all. You can be depressed but not allow that depression to control you. However, you cannot eliminate depression, only consciously ignore it or take medication.
It's irrelevant. Whether determinism or free will are true, the placebo effect is the same. Whether we choose to convince ourselves of something or have no other choice, the placebo effect is still the placebo effect.
Says who? We can manipulate our conscious minds after all. You can be depressed but not allow that depression to control you. However, you cannot eliminate depression, only consciously ignore it or take medication.
I can attest to that.Sometimes you can pinpoint the things in your life that cause you to feel depressed, and then eliminate/change those things- thus changing/eliminating the feelings of depression in tandem (as one inter-related action).
Indeed, the placebo effect is a well documented effect. It seems to be based on expectation and conditioning (faith.) Can all of the causal factors for this effect be traced? Are expectation and conditioning enough to cause the effect?It's irrelevant. Whether determinism or free will are true, the placebo effect is the same. Whether we choose to convince ourselves of something or have no other choice, the placebo effect is still the placebo effect.
You might find this interestingWe can manipulate our conscious minds after all. You can be depressed but not allow that depression to control you. However, you cannot eliminate depression, only consciously ignore it or take medication.
The placebo has no real effect. We have chosen to convince ourselves otherwise.
The phrase "we manipulate our conscious minds" is essentially free will for most people.
Sometimes you can pinpoint the things in your life that cause you to feel depressed, and then eliminate/change those things- thus changing/eliminating the feelings of depression in tandem (as one inter-related action).
Part of the experience of 'determinism' is determination.
Howso? Would you care to expand on that thought?
Things that make you depressed are hardly the same as clinical depression. Things that affect your depression can be eliminated from your life, but it still does not imply free will in any way.
Indeed, the placebo effect is a well documented effect. It seems to be based on expectation and conditioning (faith.) Can all of the causal factors for this effect be traced? Are expectation and conditioning enough to cause the effect?
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