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Orleander said:Lot's wife was turned into salt for looking back. Yet he had children with his 2 daughters. Does anyone ever worry that this will give rapist fathers a biblical o-kee-do-kee?
jewscout said:ummmmm noooo
read the story...the 2 daughters got their old man drunk and slept w/ him
michel said:This is quite a good article http://www.religioustolerance.org/chrincest.htm
The conclusion here is that the father was at fault.
Who raped whom according to one liberal commentator?
Kutz suggests that the account of the conception of Lot's grandchildren/children might have been reversed and that Lot may have frequently perpetrated acts of incest with his daughters.
He points out that:
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]The daughters could not have believed that there were no men in the world. They had just come from Tzo'ar where there would have been plenty of men. Abraham, their great-uncle was situated about a day's walk away.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]If Lot had often committed incest with his daughters then they would have known just how we would behave after drinking wine and be able to predict the consequences.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]The chances of two conceptions by two women on successive nights is very slim. Kutx writes: "So it's much more likely that these pregnancies were the result of repeated incestuous activity." The chances of pregnancy resulting from a single random sexual act by a fertile couple is on the order of one in 50. One might conclude that the chances of both daughters becoming pregnant on successive nights would be one in 2,500. Further, the chances of both producing a boy would be about one in 10,000. However, women who live in the same household often find that their menstrual cycles are synchronized. So, the chances would be much more than 1 in ten thousand, but would still be a very unusual happening.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]In Genesis 19:8, Lot offered his two daughters to be gang-raped by the men of Sodom. That could be an indication of Lot's sexually degenerative practices.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Lot's wife turning to salt could be interpreted as "...a metaphor for a mother who is frozen in her salty tears. Her older daughters have just perished in the disaster, while her younger ones are left exposed to the ongoing abuse of their drunkard of a father."[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]
He concludes that Lot himself was the incest perpetrator; his daughters were victims.
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michel said:...[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]In Genesis 19:8, Lot offered his two daughters to be gang-raped by the men of Sodom. ...[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica].[/FONT]
Orleander said:Holy Guacamole!!! I didn't know that. Please tell me its a metaphor.
from religioustolerance.org :Orleander said:Holy Guacamole!!! I didn't know that. Please tell me its a metaphor.
Orleander said:Holy Guacamole!!! I didn't know that. Please tell me its a metaphor.
jewscout said:i'll have to check the commentary on this parsha but i very vividly recall that this was the daughters' idea because they believed they were the only people left in the world...
Orleander said:Seriously, people believe word for word that it was the daughters fault? The daughters were doing their duty by carrying on their father's seed?
michel said:[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]In Genesis 19:8, Lot offered his two daughters to be gang-raped by the men of Sodom. That could be an indication of Lot's sexually degenerative practices.[/FONT]
Orleander said:Passage Genesis 19:8:
8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."
from www.bible.com
Booko said:The American take on this book and a Middle Eastern one would be *very* different. We think the moose is certifiable, because he ended up drowning in the river being weighted down by all of those unreasonable fools. Why didn't he kick them out, the freeloaders!?!
Someone from a culture that still practices hospitality would think the moose is a saintly creature who was doing the right thing, and what a nice lesson to teach the kiddies.
MdmSzdWhtGuy said:It is not a metaphor. 2 angels were visiting with Lot and his family. The townspeople of Soddom came to Lot's house and demanded that he turn over the men so that the mob might know them carnally. This is how the KJV of the Bible puts it, if you will pardon my mild paraphrase from memory.
Booko said:I wouldn't expect we really need those sorts of hospitality laws here. If someone is threatening my guests, I can call 911.