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I Corinthians 11:1-17
1 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.
2 I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them on to you.
3 But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and a husband the head of his wife, and God the head of Christ.
4 Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered brings shame upon his head.
5 But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head, for it is one and the same thing as if she had had her head shaved.
6 For if a woman does not have her head veiled, she may as well have her hair cut off. But if it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should wear a veil.
7 A man, on the other hand, should not cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man.
8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man;
9 nor was man created for woman, but woman for man;
10 for this reason a woman should have a sign of authority 6 on her head, because of the angels.
11 Woman is not independent of man or man of woman in the Lord.
12 For just as woman came from man, so man is born of woman; but all things are from God.
13 Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head unveiled?
14 Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears his hair long it is a disgrace to him,
15 whereas if a woman has long hair it is her glory, because long hair has been given (her) for a covering?
16 But if anyone is inclined to be argumentative, we do not have such a custom, nor do the churches of God.
17 In giving this instruction, I do not praise the fact that your meetings are doing more harm than good.
Okay in the lovely world of CHUMS (Christian Humanities) we are continuing in our journey through I Corinthians. We discussed today how Paul (Biblical, not the Badger Lord one...) talks of how people should behave. Now, I will admit that for the purposes of my point, i'll be taking things out of context, but there's the whole thing, so you can see how it's really being used and make your own judgement about my arguements.
Okay, in verse 6, Paul says that if a Woman does not cover her head in Church, she should have her hair cut off because it is shameful. Does this mean that Christian women should cover their heads when in church? Paul's solution for this is to cut their hair off, or shave their head, since that (i'm supposing) is the mark of shame in women. Paul seems to place complete and utter authority on men. I don't remember Yeshua placing men above women... interesting...
(I will say that in verse 11 Paul does sort of redeem himself saying that man and women are not independent of one another because they were both created by God anyway. But for the purpose of this argument, i'm disreguarding that statement.)
In verse 14, which is a BIG thing for me: Paul says that men having long hair is shameful! Does that mean that Yeshua would have had short hair? For the style of the time that Paul wrote this letter, the Romans had their hair cut, and so did most people. ("The Jesus Mysteries") Because Yeshua was a jew, and not orthodox, would he have been shaven and have his hair cut short? Scary thought hu? (My opinion on how Yeshua looked changed quickly after reading that...)
opinions? ideas? comments? do share!
1 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.
2 I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them on to you.
3 But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and a husband the head of his wife, and God the head of Christ.
4 Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered brings shame upon his head.
5 But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head, for it is one and the same thing as if she had had her head shaved.
6 For if a woman does not have her head veiled, she may as well have her hair cut off. But if it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should wear a veil.
7 A man, on the other hand, should not cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man.
8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man;
9 nor was man created for woman, but woman for man;
10 for this reason a woman should have a sign of authority 6 on her head, because of the angels.
11 Woman is not independent of man or man of woman in the Lord.
12 For just as woman came from man, so man is born of woman; but all things are from God.
13 Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head unveiled?
14 Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears his hair long it is a disgrace to him,
15 whereas if a woman has long hair it is her glory, because long hair has been given (her) for a covering?
16 But if anyone is inclined to be argumentative, we do not have such a custom, nor do the churches of God.
17 In giving this instruction, I do not praise the fact that your meetings are doing more harm than good.
Okay in the lovely world of CHUMS (Christian Humanities) we are continuing in our journey through I Corinthians. We discussed today how Paul (Biblical, not the Badger Lord one...) talks of how people should behave. Now, I will admit that for the purposes of my point, i'll be taking things out of context, but there's the whole thing, so you can see how it's really being used and make your own judgement about my arguements.
Okay, in verse 6, Paul says that if a Woman does not cover her head in Church, she should have her hair cut off because it is shameful. Does this mean that Christian women should cover their heads when in church? Paul's solution for this is to cut their hair off, or shave their head, since that (i'm supposing) is the mark of shame in women. Paul seems to place complete and utter authority on men. I don't remember Yeshua placing men above women... interesting...
(I will say that in verse 11 Paul does sort of redeem himself saying that man and women are not independent of one another because they were both created by God anyway. But for the purpose of this argument, i'm disreguarding that statement.)
In verse 14, which is a BIG thing for me: Paul says that men having long hair is shameful! Does that mean that Yeshua would have had short hair? For the style of the time that Paul wrote this letter, the Romans had their hair cut, and so did most people. ("The Jesus Mysteries") Because Yeshua was a jew, and not orthodox, would he have been shaven and have his hair cut short? Scary thought hu? (My opinion on how Yeshua looked changed quickly after reading that...)
opinions? ideas? comments? do share!
