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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Jun 29, 2022.

  1. Fool

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  3. ChristineM

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    No. Those days of ownership of the female and female subservience to the man are long gone

    But it seems to me that some far right religionists are trying to make it so again
     
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    No, I think all people should be free individuals, without any earthly governments ruling others. This means also that women should not have right to kill their babies, because baby's body is not really theirs.
     
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    A foetus body is built from the building blocks of the body it gets its materials from. The Bible doesn't recognize it as a son of man = son of adam until it takes the breath of life
     
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    Pets as well.

    Humans can communicate with each other their needs and wants. A woman, being a human animal (as are men), can communicate their needs and wants concerning reproduction.

    The fact that we treat living things in general as commodities and not individual beings with feelings is pretty disturbing. That we do it to our own species that we can communicate with is even worse.
     
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  7. ChristineM

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    It also means that any woman is free to abort the fetus

    The fetus is built from bits of the mother.
     
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    I don't think woman has right to kill babies, even if they would be made from bits of them. With that logic, your mom could as well abort you now.
     
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    Sorry, I think that is an evil lie and can't be supported with the Bible.
     
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    that is how god created adam. he created the body from the earth and when god breathed into the body, adam became a human. that's how the name gets it's origin. might want to rethink your premise. adam is is the prototype of humans.


    H120 - 'āḏām - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)
     
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  11. ChristineM

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    A fetus is not a baby, its no good crying out emotional pleading just because you don't agree with abortion. Do you have any real objections based on biology or the law?
     
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    Why?
     
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    Because it is either an ambryo or a fetus, it becomes a baby at birth, when it becomes independent of its host (mother)

    We are of course talking biologically, medically and legally. Religion seems to have its own guidelines.
     
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    If this is scientific really, what is the difference between a fetus and a baby? Why is that enough reason to kill the other?
     
  15. ChristineM

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    Sheesh, the difference is one is dependent on the mother for everything, one is not.
     
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    Born babies are also dependent of their mothers. That is no meaningful difference.
     
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    Born babies are dependant, not necessarily on their mothers.
     
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    Same is with unborn babies, often they are dependent from other people to protect them from the people who like to kill babies.
     
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    Not unborn babies, your emotional pleas are just that emotional pleas. If unborn it is either an embryo or a fetus.

    And not the same thing al all. The embryo/fetus is essentially a parasite living of it's mother until born and it then becomes a baby with the rights of a human being

    You have no right to interfere in another persons will. None.
     
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    You could as well dehumanize all who live in their parents houses.
     
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