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LEFT WING CONSPIRACY (Satan's Plan For America)

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by clirus, Aug 22, 2004.

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  1. clirus

    clirus Member

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    LEFT WING CONSPIRACY (Satan's Plan For America)

    We have a Godless government because we elect Godless politicians, who appointed Godless judges, who make Godless laws. The Godless liberal news media provides propaganda for the Godless government. Godless colleges and universities provide indoctrination into Godless liberalism. Funding for the Godless politicians is provided by hollywood, lawyers, homosexuals, environmentalists, unions and minorities. The Godless government subsidizes Godless people through grants, studies, welfare and special privileges, to get votes that will insure the Godless left wing conspiracy is continued. The Godless government has become the god of the atheist, where social, economic and health issues are more important than moral issues.

    This Godless process can be ended in the voting booth by those who trust God. The first test of any candidate and their political party should be Biblical principals, then what they intend to do about worldly issues. If the candidate does not pass the Biblical principals test, then there is no basis to believe the promises (or lies) about worldly issues. No Christian should vote for a person in the democratic party because of the support of abortion and homosexuality.

    The most important thing that needs to be done is the formation and support of a Christian based news media which will expose the democratic party and other ungodly organizations. The liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats. There is no way to change these people, but the whole truth can be told instead of the half truths that benefit the ungodly. Every Christian should financially support Christian based news media.

    The judicial system of America must be changed. Too few unelected people are in control of too much. The legislative aspect of legal decisions must have checks and balances. Constitutional interpretation must be eliminated from the judicial system and made a voter issue. The present judicial system represents, "legislation without representation". Christians should actively oppose the ACLU and not support any lawyer who contributes to or is a part of the ACLU.

    The attempt by the judicial system to eliminate America's Christian Heritage is intolerable. America was founded as a Christian nation that tolerated the practice of all religions. The laws of America and the Constitution are based on the Christian Religion. Every Christian should support a Constitutional amendment that establishes the religious heritage of the United States of America has been and is the Christian Religion as described in the King James version of the Bible.

    The next most important thing is for Christians to boycott Godless activities and funding sources. Many activities should be avoided because of the sin factor, but other organizations should be boycotted because they provide funding and support to the Godless. An example is General Electric which owns NBC news and Disney which owns ABC news. No Christian should contribute to PBS. CBS (Viacom) and CNN (AOL Time Warner) make their money from pornography thus they should already be boycotted.

    A major revenue source for the liberals is pornography. Since the judicial system cannot define pornography the American people must regain control. Local community standards are constantly violated. Instead of people having to protect their children, the pornographers should be held to proving their pornography does not reach children. Christians should support giving the FCC control of all communication modes which include television, cable, satellite, Internet and movies.

    Last, but not least, preachers need to preach against sin and sinners. Too much preaching is done for perfecting the saints instead of warning and preparing the saints for the war with Satan that exists every day we are on this earth. A key item to this is the passage of the "Houses of Worship Free Speech Restoration Act" (H.R. 235).

    II Chronicles 7:14 states, "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

    I believe the statements above are consistent with II Chronicles 7:14.
     
  2. civilcynic

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    Since I am a liberal and a Democrat, I guess that makes me automatically an evil-doer in your eyes. It would be pointless and frankly a waste of time to debate your rabid point of view but I do have one question.

    Since pornography is a major source of revenue for liberals, how come I've been left out of the loop? I have not received any benefits from pornography either financially or otherwise.
     
  3. Damori

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    If the "godless government" (i.e. somewhat balanced and how it is supposed to be) became the "god" of the atheist, they wouldn't be very good atheists would they. And you are assuming that all atheists are the same, that is a no-no. And do social, economic, and health issues tie in with moral issues?

    You mean democratic (i.e. letting the citizens choose?) process? And how many democrats are christians?

    Does that mean that if any of the citizens do something bad he should gladly stone us and shun us?

    They say nothing about atheists, and if you're calling them the liberal news media, are you surprised they'd take the liberal side? And I've never heard of them giving christians a bad spin, I've seen christians do that for themselves.

    Narrow-minded people giving money to more narrow-minded people who are reporting exaggurated and usually false news? How many of them say that god wants them to raise x money? What happens to that money?

    Too few, eh? They are judges, there aren't supposed to be hordes of judges running around the country. And the ACLU supports minority rights, that must be satan's work!

    American's christian heritage, including how much hate and disgusting acts? It has, is, and always will be a secular government. This is earth, and people will be judged by earth's laws. And not every christian reads that version of your book, how many disputes will break out just because of that?

    Godless activities...you make this sound like a war of angels against demons, how sad. I'm slightly surprised that you're picking on corporations now, but don't the christians have their own little channel as well? They must be godless because they're asking for money. And most, if not all, of us know that PBS does some good work for the community, regardless of religion.

    I know this whole article is devoid of truth, give some proof to back this up. And they can define pornography, otherwise they wouldn't be able to throw child pornographers away and throw away the key. What you're talking about is complete madness, I'd have to say.

    Tell me, how are you at war with a piece of anti-pagan propoganda?
     
  4. Pah

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    We have a literally Godless government precisely because "Christian" framers of the Constitution designed it that way! They saw the evil of including God in governement and said no to ours being so infected.

    We have Godless politicians precisely because the "Christian" framers inculded a requirement there not be any test (qualification) for government officials to literally be Christians.


    Precisely! (except Atheists have NO god either). I believe you will find, if you know your complete bible, chapter and verse that make social, economic and health issues moral Christian imperitives, Now don't be telling me that there is higher morality for you than the bible. Don't be saying that one part of Christian morality is greater than another part. You have an obligation, (don't you?), to follow the ways and teachings of Christ. That IS Chriatian morality, isn't it?

    Ahhhh! Now theocracy raises it's ugly head.

    The judical system is a product of the design of Christian framers. The "unelected" are appointed by the elected President with the concurrance of the elected Senate both bodies responsible directly to the people. Judicial review of Constitutional isses are the sole perogative of the Supreme Court. There is NO Constitutional power for the legislature or exective branches of the government to determine the constitutionality of a law passed by the legislature and signed by the executive office. Any other way would be a conflict of tyranical interests. "Legislation without representation", as you put it, does not create legislation - it merely vetos laws which do not meet the standard of the Constitution. Congress and the presidency is responsible for the games they play with the peoples rights - the Court is the final arbitrator of those rights.

     
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    Why do Christians ignore their Apostle?
    Why do they confuse the United States of America's constitution and the instructions of the God they say they serve.
    Where is their banner of "Truth"?
    How can you call Godless? The government "Ordained of God." Romans 13:1
    Go ahead and arm HaSatan, Your father!
    That's all of my political rhetoric/poop!
     
  6. Ardhanariswar

    Ardhanariswar I'm back!

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    wake up and smell the coffee deary, there are people who are not christian in this country. so having biblical principals test would be laughable. and if it were to happen, what would the questions be like? Have you parted any seas lately? how about walking on water? can you exorcise spirits? these things dont make one qualitfied to become a president. it only makes them qualified to become a magician.


    hey, im with you in all how bad the sins of the world are and stuff, but hey, dont blame it on the democrates. some liberals are extremists, and some conservatives are extremeists. you got to have that balance, and learn how to work with people of all different beliefs, not make useless arguements.

    My opinion:
    listen all, dont confuse God with christianity. Christianity has become the worlds must dialuted and corrupted religion. why do you think there are so many *denominations*? because they cannot hold principles, and they fall away from God. if satan did exist i would say that he is influencing the church. all throughout history the church has manipulated the people and countries to fight against itself and others. is that what God really wants? voilence? noooo. God is love and peace. not hatred, war, and "me against you" thinking.

    thats what i have to say.
     
  7. Rex

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    **Moved to Religious Debates** it has Satan in the title which is more religious than political.

    Also this post is going to spark a lot of replies I can see it now so let's make sure to keep it clean and debate the facts...
     
  8. clirus

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    I believe you will find, if you know your complete bible, chapter and verse that make social, economic and health issues moral Christian imperitives, Now don't be telling me that there is higher morality for you than the bible. Don't be saying that one part of Christian morality is greater than another part. You have an obligation, (don't you?), to follow the ways and teachings of Christ. That IS Chriatian morality, isn't it?

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    SOCIALISM: Satan's Perversion of Charity

    The difference between charity and socialism (welfare) is that charity is what Christians are told to have, and socialism is a government process of taking money in the form of taxes and spending it on someone else. The King James Version of the Bible does not mention socialism. I believe Socialism is Satan's worldly perversion of charity. Charity is a free will process and taxes are not.
    I believe God's intent with charity was to humble the strong, not sustain the weak. The Bible indicates the good will prosper and the evil will not. When the good are prosperous, they need to be reminded that the prosperity is of God and not of their own hands.

    I think a lot of Christians think they have satisfied their charity obligation by voting democratic.

    I have always worried about the democratic party when they discuss peoples needs. I am reminded of what was said about Jesse Jackson in the book Shakedown: Exposing the Real Jesse Jackson" by Kenneth R. Timmerman. Mr. Jackson uses the misery of the masses to enrich himself and his associates.

    I don't think democrats are really interested in peoples needs, but rather they use welfare, health care, and Medicare to buy votes.

    I see at least three problems with socialism;

    1) Religious - Socialism allows the person to avoid the sin aspect that leads to a need for most welfare. Without a change of heart, the sin and need for welfare continues and grows because others see the witness of unrepentant sinful behavior being rewarded. Paul had a thorn in the flesh, which God chose not to remove. Paul said in Philippians 4:11, "Not that I speak in respect for want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content." I believe a lot of welfare and medical treatment is not in God's will because the people involved are fighting God's will and decreasing their dependence on God by placing their faith in government and medical science.

    The Bible does not condone those who do not provide for themselves. I Timothy 5:8 says, "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." II Thessalonians 3:l0 says, "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat." Epheasians 2-3 says, "Honour thy father and mother; with is the first commandment with promise; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth."

    The people needing the most are women, children and the elderly (parents). God's perfect provision for that need is the family structure of a man, woman and children. Satan's greatest success would be to eliminate the family concept. Men are being attacked with pornography, women are being deceived about God's will for them and children are being taught that the Bible is not relevant or untrue. Most government welfare programs are directed to women, children and the elderly which is an attack on the family structure. I believe that God would provide if the government got out of welfare.

    Matthew 6:31-32 says, "Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."

    2) Sociological - Welfare sustains the weak. I believe God's intent with charity was to humble the strong, not sustain the weak. God's provision for the weak is a home in heaven where there is no more pain and suffering for those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Christians refer to heaven as a better place, but they fight vigorously to stay on the earth. Is that a struggle against God's will?

    America is becoming a weak nation because we are spending greater and greater part of our resources on people who cannot sustain themselves and who's existence is totally dependent on government assistance. Good is self sustaining, but evil requires support to survive. The support that is needed for evil to survive comes from good people, who think they are helping needy people. but who are really subsidizing and condoning sin. Most cosmetic surgery today can be associated with the sin of pride, yet I worry that "ugly" will classified as a disease and covered by medical insurance. Unfortunately, cosmetic surgery does not alter the genes. If you cannot solve the root cause, you probably had better leave the problem alone.

    3) Political - Socialism has been a winner for democrats in many elections and the liberal news media eats it up. The liberal news media do not get involved in doing anything but they are very self righteous that their bashing Republicans means they are helping the needy. The reality is they are a tool of Satan to lead the world away from God. I think democrats want problems to go away and would like to think of themselves as good people who do good things for others, however they are excluding God and thus it is not charity.

    Democrats have gotten many votes because nothing sounds so good as hearing someone tell you that they are going to help you. It is as bad as the Christian who says I will pray for you. Both can be very hollow. It sounds like a free meal and most people cannot resist. A needy person is put in the position of a decision of hoping for help, solving their own problem or accepting God's will in their life. Just sustaining the person is a form of slavery because the person must continue to vote for the party that will continue to supply the drugs (welfare).

    The concept of solving problems for people has lead the democratic party, the liberal news media and the judicial system into the issues of abortion and homosexuality. The real solution to these problems is as the Bible says, Don't do that or the things that lead to that. Democrats are getting into a situation where they advocate it is a civil right to sin. I do not favor any attempt to legislate morality, but I think every Christian should oppose the legalization of immorality.

    No Christian should vote for any democrat because of the democratic party support of abortion and homosexuality.
     
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    Congress and the presidency is responsible for the games they play with the peoples rights - the Court is the final arbitrator of those rights.

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    And what happens if the court becomes packed with liberal judges that legalize immorality such as pornography, abortion and homosexuality?

    Even worse, what happens if the court becomes packed with consertative judges?
     
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    These things are only a-moral to you because the bible says so. The problem with that, is that not everyone believes in the bible. Therefore, we have a seapration of church and state which allows for laws to be made on the basis of human rights, not on the basis of what people think god wants.

    Conservative or liberal, at the end of the day everyone is bound by the same laws.
     
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    Clirus' post has really got you folks going, didn't it?
     
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    Your barking up the wrong tree. The Rehnquist court kept the internet a venue of free speech (not allowing a ban on virtual child pornography) It affirmed the Burger Court's intial finding of the right to privacy for pregnant women several times and recently overturned a case (Bowers - decided by the majority left from the Burger Court under either Burger or Rehnquist) so as to decriminalize homosexuality. You're shouting about the wrong side of the political spectrum. The Rehnquist Court - where 7 of the 9 judges were appointed by Republican presidents and only 2 of the 7 (Souter and Stevens) are considered moderates. That should be a majority in your favor - right? The moderates (including Ginsburg and Breyer) are not even considered 'liberal" while 3 (Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas) are considered "far right". (the remaining 2, O'connor and Kennedy, are considered "conservative"). The Presidents involved with this majority conservative majority were Nixon, Reagen, and Bush. (poor ol' Ford appointed a moderate) - all Republicans.

    I'm tired of the old saw about liberal judges - it's in fact wrong and repeated like gospel from those who hold the gospel to be truth also.

    -pah-
     
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    Clirus! Answer my questions. And not with any of your hateful drivel.
    Answer with Aleph-Mem-Tav/Truth.
    I do wish Right wing Christian consrevatives would be correct.
    You need to go back to the Hebrew Bible and learn Gimmelus Chessed.
    You've spread enough of your cesspool garbage on these pages.
    My bible says to do good to those who hate you, but I find it hard to in lieu of a barage of condemnations against those, YOU! Should be ministering to if you are of God as you represent youself! But as I said in the earlier post You are of your father and he is the father of lies. It is an easy thing to wrap yourself in a christian flag, topped off with the "Stars and Stripes" and say things You believe as Truth, just as your father disguised himself as an Angel of Light! Get thee behind me Satan!
     
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