King Phenomenon
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dont know much aboit their faith. do they reject jesus completely or do they see him as gods son but reject him anyway?
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Most Jews are disinterested in the story of the NT for various reasons. It's not an outright denial, but more of a question of relevance. Jesus is simply not important to us.
There have been a few Messiah claimants who were Jewish. But the requirements for someone to be a candidate, much less the real deal, are very high. The three criteria I remember are:Here's an even more interesting question: Besides Christianity has there ever been a major attempt in Judaism for a prophet or some other divine source to be the proclaimed savior of the religion? And if not, why? I find it odd given how long that Judaism has existed, in the timespan of a few thousand years, but the only person they brought forth from it was Jesus. Why is that?
StrangeJesus is simply not important to us.
According to Jewish scripture, there are also those whom you would call Prophets, Saints, and Sages whose divine purpose is to test the Jewish people to see if they are loyal to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Meaning, they may have real connections to the divine, but that doesn't mean that Jewish people are intended by God to follow them. Maybe they are intended to be followed by others, I don't know.Strange
I find all Prophets and Saints, Sages important, as they are sent by God to inspire us
Rebuilding the temple apparently is moving forward when they important red heffers. Unless I am mistaken, I think they were approved as unblemished although there are still hurdles to overcome.There have been a few Messiah claimants who were Jewish. But the requirements for someone to be a candidate, much less the real deal, are very high. The three criteria I remember are:
Until there's world peace, it's easy to reject any messiah claimant.
- ushers in an era of world peace
- rebuilds the temple
- gathers all Jewish people wherever they are to Jerusalem and leads them in a Jewish theocracy
IF I say Prophets, Saints, Sages then I mean they are real ones, sent by God to help humanityAccording to Jewish scripture, there are also those whom you would call Prophets, Saints, and Sages whose divine purpose is to test the Jewish people to see if they are loyal to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Meaning, they may have real connections to the divine, but that doesn't mean that Jewish people are intended by God to follow them. Maybe they are intended to be followed by others, I don't know.
The first followers of Jesus who believed Him to be their promised Messiah were all Jewish. For the most part the Jewish people have rejected Jesus, but definitely not all...dont know much aboit their faith. do they reject jesus completely or do they see him as gods son but reject him anyway?
Just FYI: There has been in the past on RF those who claim that the above is not scriptural, that the requirement is not for all Jews to return. Here's scriptural support for this idea.gathers all Jewish people wherever they are to Jerusalem and leads them in a Jewish theocracy
Well, depending on the gospel Jesus would qualify as one who is "messing with other faiths". The quote I remember is:IF I say Prophets, Saints, Sages then I mean they are real ones, sent by God to help humanity
Those trying to mess with other faiths I don't call Prophet, Saints or Sages. Those I call deceivers or something like that.
And I distinguish between the Prophet as sent by God and the final message written down by non Prophet humans. The more pure a person is, the more accurate (in sync with the Divine) their message is.
I don't follow all, but I still see them as valuable. If other people become better by following them, "Paradise on Earth" is 1 step closer. If others are happy, that makes me happy also
The first followers of Jesus wouldn't accept anyone who did not accept physical circumcision and following the Law too. Then came Paul who changed the religion to an antinomianist heretical sect. Jesus would be the first to reject modern Christianity in favor of halachal Judaism.The first followers of Jesus who believed Him to be their promised Messiah were all Jewish. For the most part the Jewish people have rejected Jesus, but definitely not all...
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they dont sound like big dealsWell, depending on the gospel Jesus would qualify as one who is "messing with other faiths". The quote I remember is:
Matthew 12:6 But I tell you that something greater than the temple is here.
This shows that Jesus did not value the temple sacrifices that were commanded by God through Moses. That's a pretty big deal. Proclaiming himself as the "Lord of the Sabbath" is a big change too. He never preached against idol worship, as far as I know. That's a big deal. The emphasis on belief as the basis for the religion is a big deal.
Those are a few off the top of my head. But the honest truth is, no one really knows what Jesus said or did. And it could be that there were multiple Jesuses ( Jewish rebelous preacher / miracle workers ) at the time, and the gospels joined the legends of all them together to create a cohesive theology. I try to keep this in mind so that I don't judge too harshly.
The temple sacrifices and their implements take up a large portion of the book of Leviticus. The Sabbath is an eternal covenant of rest per scripture. The prohibition against idol worship is in the 10 commandments and is the primary fault in the Jewish nation repeatedly throughout the Pentateuch and Prophets. These are big issues in Judaism.they dont sound like big deals
big deal jesus disnt talk about em.The temple sacrifices and their implements take up a large portion of the book of Leviticus. The Sabbath is an eternal covenant of rest per scripture. The prohibition against idol worship is in the 10 commandments and is the primary fault in the Jewish nation repeatedly throughout the Pentateuch and Prophets. These are big issues in Judaism.
i dont think there that big of a dealThe temple sacrifices and their implements take up a large portion of the book of Leviticus. The Sabbath is an eternal covenant of rest per scripture. The prohibition against idol worship is in the 10 commandments and is the primary fault in the Jewish nation repeatedly throughout the Pentateuch and Prophets. These are big issues in Judaism.
well, that makes sense. you're not Jewishi dont think there that big of a deal
im sure alot if not all of jewish people arent losing sleep over it eitherwell, that makes sense. you're not Jewish
Exactly. That is most essential and just common sense also, sadly overlooked a lot, as humans seem to have this tendency to rather believe "super" stories of their Supermen Heroes blindlyBut the honest truth is, no one really knows what Jesus said or did
And I distinguish between the Prophet as sent by God and the final message written down by non Prophet humans.
Judaism rejects Jesus as the messiah because he did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. We reject him as God because the God of the Jews has no body, no form -- he does not manifest as a man or tree or rock. Indeed, viewing God as a man would be called avodah zarah, literally "strange worship" aka idolatry, just as believing Caesar is a god is idolatry. Nor do we see him as a prophet--the age of the prophets ended with Malachi. Some Jews don't even believe Jesus existed, but is entirely mythological. For me, I think Jesus was a nice Jewish man who tried to be the messiah but failed.dont know much aboit their faith. do they reject jesus completely or do they see him as gods son but reject him anyway?