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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Prometheus85, Sep 13, 2018.

  1. Prometheus85

    Prometheus85 Active Member

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    The death and resurrection of Jesus in roughly 28 or 29 CE assertedby the Bible (many times) and by almost every living Christian. Yet there is not only no evidence that said resurrection ever occurred, but there is essentially no way to prove that somebody that died and came back to life over 2000 hrs ago.
     
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    If anybody thinks for a minute that a true resurrection of a completely deceased person (not mostly "deceased" like in the case of NDAs) has occurred, or can occur has a bit of a screw loose on the intellectual and pragmatic side of the argument.

    No actual Resurrection has ever happened to anybody throughout the historical record, aside from mythology , where of course the notion and lore had come from in the first place .
     
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    Why would the apostles (e.g. witnesses of the resurrection ) die for there claims to it then?
     
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    There is essentially no evidence that the man Jesus even lived let alone that he died and was resurrected. The only real evidence we have is the witness of those who walked and talked with him and who were prepared to die for their convictions.
     
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    He who asserts must prove and you have asserted much

    Truth is there is a great deal of evidence
    The gospels themselves are eyewitness testimony and expert in evidence and past Harvard law scholar Simon Greenleef wrote a book on it in "the testimony of the evangelists" showing why the gospels would be admissible and compelling in a court of law
     
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    whirlingmerc Well-Known Member

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    There is a minimum core which most historians would agree on that
    Jesus existed, he was crucified, his disciples came to believe he rose and held that belief till death
    see Gary Habermas and Mike Licona on that

     
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  7. Prometheus85

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    1st. Was simon greednleef their to witness the resurrection?
    2nd How likely was this resurrection?

    Can you imagine a movement today claiming that a soldier in WW2 rose physically from the dead, but when you asked for proof all they offered you were a mere handful of anonymous religious tracts written in the 1990s? Would it be even remotely reasonable to believe such a thing on so feeble a proof? Well, no.
     
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    Who knows, but it makes for a great story.
     
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    So, there's essentially no evidence that the man Jesus even lived, but we have real evidence of witnesses that walked and talked with him.
     
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    If the apostles are right, its more then just a great story. And i dont see why anyone would die for claims like this (being a witness and all) and it not be true.
     
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    There is no science here, just opinions as to whether Jesus existed or not, based on guesses.
     
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    Well, of course, it's all true then.
     
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    Yes, its got to be. No rational person, let alone 12, and more would die for what they knew was false.
     
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    Ah the old die for a lie argument lol very common amongst Christian apologist For many Christians, this is the anchor of the argument for a resurrection.
    While people have died for lies—the 9/11 hijackers, for example, or the Heavens gate cult—they didn’t know it was a lie. Jonestown the list goes on. There are many problems with this argument but 1st Do we have good evidence that Paul or Any of the original 12 apostles dies for their belief in the risen Jesus? Nope.
     
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    Your misrepresenting the issue. Its not dying for a BELIEF, its dying for a claim to KNOWLEDGE, based on a WITNESS.

    The apostles wer in a situation to KNOW if the resurrection was true or false.

    And yes, theres evidence the apostles existed and died for this claim and everything around it. Historical evidence.
     
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    I didn’t ask for evidence on weather or not the apostles existed. I said is there any evidence the apostles died for their belief in resurrection? If so provide please.
     
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    Yes, theres evidence the apostles died for it. And they wer not in a position to believe it, they wer in a position to know if it was false or not.
     
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    So provide that evidence then lol
    And In your previous post you said the apostles where in a situation to know the resurrection was true, now your saying they were not in a position to believe it but not a position to know if it was not false or not? What??? Were u there 2000 yrs ago to see all of this stuff go down?
     
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  19. Jollybear

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    Do you know how to read?
     
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    Yeah I believe so. Do u know how to comprehend?
     
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