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Jesus in the Quran

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Ron68, Jun 4, 2005.

  1. Ron68

    Ron68 New Member

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    [size=+1]Christians Unaware[/size]

    The Christian does not know that the true spirit of charity which the Muslim displays, always, towards Jesus and his mother Mary spring from the fountainhead of his faith - the Holy Quran. He does not know that the Muslim does not take the holy name of Jesus, in his own language, without saying Eesa, alaihi assalam ("Jesus, peace be upon him")

    The Christian does not know that in the Holy Quran Jesus is mentioned twenty five times. For example:

    "We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit" (The Holy Quran 2:87)

    "O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary..." (3:45)

    "...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of god..." (4:171)

    "...And in their foot steps we sent Jesus the son of Mary..." (5:46)

    "And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous." (6:85)

    [size=+1]Jesus - His Titles[/size]

    Though Jesus is mentioned by name in twenty-five places in the Holy Quran, he is also addressed with respect as: Ibn Maryam, meaning "The son of Mary"; and as the Maseeh (in Hebrew it is the Messiah), which is translated as "Christ". He is also known as Abdullah, "The servant of Allah"; and as Rasul u Allah, the messenger of Allah.

    He is spoken of as "The Word of God", as "The Spirit of God", as a "Sign of God", and numerous other epithets of honor spread over fifteen different chapters. The Holy Quran honors this mighty messenger of God, and the Muslims have not fallen short over the past fourteen hundred years in doing the same. There is not a single disparaging remark in the entire Quran to which even the most jaundiced among the Christians can take exception.

    [size=+1]Eesa Latinised to "Jesus"[/size]

    The Holy Quran refers to Jesus as Eesa, and this name is used more times than any other title, because this was his "Christian" name. Actually, his proper name was Eesa (Arabic), or Esau (Hebrew); classical Yeheshua, which the Christian nations of the West latinised as Jesus. Neither the "J" nor the second "s" in the name Jesus is to be found in the original tongue - they are not found in the Semitic languages.

    The word is very simply "E S A U" a very common Jewish name, used more than sixty times in the very first booklet alone of the Bible, in the part called "Genesis". There was at least one "Jesus" sitting on the "bench" at the trial of Jesus before the Sanhedrin. Josephus the Jewish historian mentions some twenty five Jesus' in his "Book of Antiquities". The New Testament speaks of "Bar-Jesus" a magician and a sorcerer, a false prophet (Acts 13:6); and also "Jesus-Justus" a Christian missionary, a contemporary of Paul (Colossians 4:11). These are distinct from Jesus the son of Mary. Transforming "Esau" to (J)esu(s) - Jesus - makes it unique. This unique (?) name has gone out of currency among the Jews and the Christians from the 2nd century after Christ. Among the Jews, because it came to be a name of ill - repute, the name of one who blasphemed in Jewry; and among the Christians because it came to be the proper name of their God. The Muslim will not hesitate to name his son Eesa because it is an honored name, the name of a righteous servant of the Lord.






    [size=+1]Mother And Son[/size]

    [size=+1]Mary Honored[/size]

    The birth of Jesus Christ is described in two places of the Quran - chapter 3 and chapter 19. Reading from the beginning of his birth, we come across the story of Mary, and the esteemed position which she occupies in the House of Islam, before the actual annunciation of the birth of Jesus is given:

    "'Behold'! the angels said: 'O Mary! God hath chosen thee and purified thee, and chosen thee above the women of all nations" (3:42)

    "Chosen thee above the women of all nations." Such an honor is not to be found given to Mary even in the Christian Bible! The verse continues:

    "O Mary! Worship thy Lord devoutly: prostrate thyself, and bow down (in prayer) with those who bow down." (3:43)

    [size=+1]Divine Revelation[/size]

    What is the source of this beautiful and sublime recitation which, in its original Arabic, moves men to ecstasy and tears? verse 44 below explains:

    "This is part of the tidings, of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Muhammad!) by inspiration: Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point)." (3:44)

    [size=+1]Mary's Birth[/size]

    The story is that the maternal grandmother of Jesus, Hannah, had hitherto been barren. She poured out her heart to God: If only God will grant her a child, she would surely dedicate such a child for the service of God in the temple.

    God granted her prayer and Mary was born. Hannah was disappointed. She was yearning for a son, but instead she delivered a daughter; and in no way is the female like the male, for what she had in mind. What was she to do? She had made a vow to God. She waited for Mary to be big enough to fend for herself.

    When the time came, Hannah took her darling daughter to the temple, to hand over for temple services. Every priest wanted to be the god-father of this child. They cast lots with arrows for her - like the tossing of the coin - head or tail?
    eventually she fell to the lot of Zakariya, but not without a dispute.

    [size=+1]The Source of His Message[/size]

    This was the story. But where did Muhammed, salla Allah u alihi wa sallam, get this knowledge from? He was an Ummi, Arabic for "unlettered". He did not low how to read or write. He is made by God Almighty to answer this very question in the verse above, by saying that it was all by divine inspiration. "No!", says the controversialist. "This is Muhammed's own concoction. He copied his revelations from the Jews and Christians. He plagiarized it. He forged it."

    Knowing full-well, and believing as we do, that the whole Quran is the veritable Word of God, we will nevertheless agree, for the sake of argument, with the enemies of Muhammed, salla Allah u alihi wa sallam, for a moment, that he wrote it. We can now expect some cooperation from the unbelievers.

    Ask him: "Have you any qualms in agreeing that Muhammed was an Arab?" Only an ignorant will hesitate to agree. In that case there is no sense in pursuing any discussion. Cut short the talk. Close the book!

    With the man of reason, we proceed. "That this Arab, in the first instance, was addressing other Arabs. He was not talking to Indian Muslims, Chinese Muslims, or Nigerian Muslims. He was addressing his own people, the Arabs. Whether they agreed with him or not, he told them in the most sublime form, words that were seared into the hearts and minds of his listeners that Mary the mother of Jesus, a Jewess, was chosen above the women of all nations. Not his own mother, nor his wife nor his daughter, nor any other Arab woman, but a Jewess! Can one explain this? Because to everyone his own mother or wife, or daughters would come before other women.

    Why would the prophet of Islam honor a woman from his opposition! and a Jewess at that! belonging to a race which had been looking down upon his people for three thousand years? Just as they still look down upon their Arab brethren today."

    [size=+1]The Chapter of Maryam[/size]

    There is a Chapter in the Holy Quran, named Surat u Maryam "Chapter Mary", named in honor of Mary the mother of Jesus Christ, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him; again, such an honor is not to be found given to Mary in the Christian Bible. Out of the 66 books of the Protestants and 73 of the Roman Catholics, not one is named after Mary or her son. You will find books named after Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul and two score more obscure names, but not a single one is that of Mary!

    If Muhammed, salla Allah u alihi wa sallam, was the author of the Holy Quran, then he would not have failed to include in it with Mary, the mother of Jesus, his own mother Aamina, his dear wife Khadija, or his beloved daughter Fatima. But No! No! This can never be. The Quran is not his handiwork!.

    [size=+1]The Good News[/size]



    " 'Behold!' the angels said: 'O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him: his name will be Jesus, the son of Mary; held in honor in this world and the hereafter; and (of the company of) those nearest to Allah." (3:45)

    "Nearest to God," not physically nor geographically, but spiritually. Compare this with "And (Jesus) sat on the right hand of God." (Mark 16:19). The bulk of Christendom has misunderstood this verse as well as many others in the Bible. They imagine the Father (God) sitting on a throne, a glorified chair, and His Son, Jesus, sitting on His right hand side. Can you conjure up the picture? If you do, you have strayed from the true knowledge of God. He is no old Father Christmas. He is beyond the imagination of the mind of man. He exists. He is real, but He is not like anything we can think of, or imagine.

    In eastern languages "right hand" meant a place of honor, which the Holy Quran more fittingly describes as "In the company of those nearest to Allah." The above verse confirms that Jesus is the Christ. and that he is the Word which God bestowed upon Mary. Again, the Christian reads into these words, a meaning which they do not carry. They equate the word "Christ" with the idea of a god-incarnate; and the "Word" of God to be God.


     
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  2. Ori

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    "He did not low how to read or write."

    Yet he signed peace treaties, did he not?
    Not all christians believe that Jesus is God incarnate either.
     
  3. Omer

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    Hi Orichalcum and Ron! I ve been flipping thru these posts till I felt i could contribute myself too.:)
    About The prophet Muhammad's signing treaties of peace: now imagine an unlettered person; even the most illiterate person does know how to "draw" his own name on paper, does he not? Like little children who start going to school already knowing how to write his name properly..It's clear, isnt it?
    And about the Christians who doesnt believe that Jesus isnt God incarnate..Yes, I know of them, like Unitarians etc. and I believe other Christians will find the truth in its purest form as prophet Jesus preached it, hopefully.

    Peace out!
    Omer
     
  4. blueman

    blueman God's Warrior

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    With all do respect Ron68, I find it hard to believe the Holy Quran being the fountainhead of faith since it was written over 600 years after Christ's death. I respect your beliefs, but the glaring lack of recognition regarding the diety of Christ as the Son of God, God incarnate and relegating Him as a mere prophet is problematic. Mary, mother of Jesus was a vessel to facilitate the fufilment of God's purpose through a virgin birth and nothing else. She new her role and accepted it according to God's will and in turn, lived righteously through Christ, as many Christians lived today. :)
     
  5. michel

    michel Administrator Emeritus
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    I have managed to find an on-line copy of the Quran; when I have time, I will try and copy it in Adobe acrobat .pf style. - unless someone knows where I may obtain an e-book copy.:)
     
  6. chuck010342

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    Salam Malaka my friend please excuse my spelling I'm not as fluent in arabic as you might be. It is nice to meet an easterner on this website. I shall answer your question but I will do it in the eastern way. What makes you think that the quran has it correct and not the bible?
     
  7. glasgowchick

    glasgowchick Gives Glory to God !!!

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    Good Question :)
     
  8. robtex

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    which ones don't?
     
  9. TashaN

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    I like smart quesions Mr. chuck that's why i couldn't wait till the one whom you asked answer you.

    simply Quran was written before 1400 years and it have been proven that no hand could ever corrupt or change a single verse in it.

    On the other hand, The Bible as you know ofcourse Mr. chuck is FULL of mysteries, doubts,errors and contradictions but Quran is perfect.

    God challenged all human beings and even the spirits to gather all to produce not a similar book like Quran but even a single verse of it.

    Until now no one could ever brought an error, contradiction, immoral things (like what we have in the bible) in the Quran.

    finally, if you wish i can lead you to a link to a video clips or e-books that show how Quran is a rich book in it's information about scince and the universe and things you never ever thought of it. All of it in Quran.

    anyone can ask any question and i hope that i can answer it if i know it.


    Peace ... :)
     
  10. Malus 12:9

    Malus 12:9 Temporarily Deactive.

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    Truth dude, is the topic of your debate Bible VS Quaran?
     
  11. TashaN

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    sorry but i just answered chuck ... that's all :D

    I have no intention to make it a debate between the Bible and Quran.
     
  12. Natural Submission

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    In truth, the Torah, the scrolls of Abraham, the Qur'an and many more are actually all the same book revealed by the Archangel Gabriel. It is the people that have divided them and made them separate. One could say that Jesus concluded the revelation for the Jews and Muhammad concluded the revelation for the Arabs. One could likewise say that Buddha and Lao Tzu concluded the revelation for the Asians. There is no reason to bicker like children over who is correct.

    We should submit to the truth where we find it. If there is truth in the Bible, then the Muslim must submit to it. If there is truth in the Qur'an, the Christian should submit to it too. If there is truth in the Tao Te Ching the Muslim and Christian should follow it. As "children" of the Most High it is our duty to establish peace, justice and love and submit to the truth WHEREVER it manifests.
     
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    Peace be to you,
    Blueman can you pleace tell me one place in the Bible where Jesus (pbuh) Clearly claims Divinity and please give references....Thanks
     
  14. Peace

    Peace Quran & Sunnah

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    I have just seen this comment. Well orichalcum, Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was truly illiterate. Concerning signing peace treaties, he used to have a ring printed on it "Muhammad Rusulullah" (which means Muhammad Prophet of Allah) using it as a seal instead of signing.
     
  15. Ori

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    :D I'd forgotten about this, thanks Peace.
     
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    The story of thesignet ring also adds fuel to the discussion as to what "Seal of the Prophets" actually means.

    Regards,
    Scott
     
  17. Dirty Penguin

    Dirty Penguin Master Of Ceremony

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    I like this site below. Not only does it contain the english translation it contains the arabic and the transliteration. There are other out there that may be better but this one has helped me a lot.

    http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/053.asp
     
  18. Dirty Penguin

    Dirty Penguin Master Of Ceremony

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    bible.....yes....maybe full of contradictions.....

    What I have noticed is that you have the OT....which the Quran acknowledges and then you have the NT.

    Do muslims trust ANY of the OT? The problem for me is that the Quran acknowledges it but a lot of muslims won't even be bothered with it. Jesus preached the gospel but some muslims won't concern themselves with the parts of the NT where it is Jesus himself speaking let alone the deciple's accounts of Jesus.

    Has anyone done extensive research on the OT to see if every book contains contradictions?

    If you know of a person please let me know I'd like to read up on it.

    As far as the contradictions in the NT, it would appear it was written by multiple people from their perspective. I find this to be no different than those who rely on Hadith.

    I also believe corruption can come from translation from one language to another. Translating from Arabic to Hebrew or vice versa may not be that bad since they both are semetic languages with a common root, but translating into english......well watch out now.....Here's where things get interesting.


    Just my opinion......:sorry1:
     
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