Jesus genes

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I was reading another thread, and this question came to mind.

If jesus father isn't biological (virgin birth), he wouldn't have paternal genes. How does that work? Can one human be the only human within the last three thousand years to have no paternal genes as the rest of us do?

I'm not a gene specialist. Just wondering.

Why couldn't or wouldn't God just ex nihilo up some genetic material to join with Mary's? Seems a better solution than leaving Jesus as a haploid organism with diploid traits.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

We Catholics believe that the Y chromosome was produced by Mary herself, even if that's scientifically impossible. So...genetically he looked like her.

He only has XX chromosones?

I never heard of that teaching. Is that scriptural?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Since jesus has no biological father, how does he, as a male, or does he have Y chromosones?

He has no human father in a biological sense. He may well have had "normal" dna, just from a divine source.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Why couldn't or wouldn't God just ex nihilo up some genetic material to join with Mary's? Seems a better solution than leaving Jesus as a haploid organism with diploid traits.

Mary would need to have both XX and XY chromosones to transfer to jesus. I never heard of a condition where a human male can have only XX or no chromosones. I never heard of a female that can give XY chromosones when she gives birth.

Did god stick a Y chromosones for jesus to born as human?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

He has no human father in a biological sense. He may well have had "normal" dna, just from a divine source.

Unless he isnt human, that doesn't make sense. He is supposed to be human like us. How much is he like us to where even though he has no sin and no XY chromosones, he is still human?

That, and that would be odd people can be born without XY chromosones before The Church but after we cannot.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Mary would need to have both XX and XY chromosones to transfer to jesus. I never heard of a condition where a human male can have only XX or no chromosones. I never heard of a female that can give XY chromosones when she gives birth.

Did god stick a Y chromosones for jesus to born as human?

What part of the suggeztion that God provided half the dna was unclear? Either you accept Jesus' conception was a miracle, or you don't. If you do, the idea of God providing dna shouldn't be a problem. If you don't accept a miracle occured, then the whole point is rather moot, since you clearly believe the paternal dna came from a more mundane source.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Unless he isnt human, that doesn't make sense. He is supposed to be human like us. How much is he like us to where even though he has no sin and no XY chromosones, he is still human?

Why wouldn't divinely provided dna include a y chromosome?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What part of the suggeztion that God provided half the dna was unclear? Either you accept Jesus' conception was a miracle, or you don't. If you do, the idea of God providing dna shouldn't be a problem. If you don't accept a miracle occured, then the whole point is rather moot, since you clearly believe the paternal dna came from a more mundane source.

Listen. You dont need to be rude. Its hard to read conversations when there is rudeness. Bothers me.

If you cannot answer the question, fine. Is jesus a human being like us?

How can he be sinless with only XX chromosones before The Church but after such miracle is no longer possible?

Was there a change in the way the body works throughout the years where such a thing is no longer possible one day after The Church?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Why wouldn't divinely provided dna include a y chromosome?

Is he human? Humans arent born from miracles.

At what point in the last three thousand years miracles like that were no longer -possible-?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Listen. You dont need to be rude. Its hard to read conversations when there is rudeness. Bothers me.

If you cannot answer the question, fine. Is jesus a human being like us?

How can he be sinless with only XX chromosones before The Church but after such miracle is no longer possible?

Was there a change in the way the body works throughout the years where such a thing is no longer possible one day after The Church?

I wasn't being rude, but you seem to be citing stuff no one said or suggested. I'll try again. I believe Jesus had perfectly "normal" dna, indistinguishable from that of any other human male's genome, including an x and y chromosome. Half came from Mary, and half was divinely created.

I see no reason to believe he had two x chromosomes, or was genetically haploid, or anything else that would mark his genetics as unusual.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Is he human? Humans arent born from miracles.

At what point in the last three thousand years miracles like that were no longer -possible-?

Yes he was human, and who says humans aren't born from miracles? The Bible has loads of stories of miraculous conceptions and births.

Who says miracles like the conception of Jesus is no longer possible? It is a matter of faith that it hasn't happened again, but who says it couldn't happen tomorrow if God so chose?

 

[nPeace]

Since jesus has no biological father, how does he, as a male, or does he have Y chromosones?

When artificial insemination is performed, where does the sperm come from?
Okay, with that in mind, ask yourself, "How did Mary become pregnant?" Where did the sperm come from?

If you have in your mind that no fertilization took place, then that may be where you are having a problem.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I wasn't being rude, but you seem to be citing stuff no one said or suggested. I'll try again. I believe Jesus had perfectly "normal" dna, indistinguishable from that of any other human male's genome, including an x and y chromosome. Half came from Mary, and half was divinely created.

I see no reason to believe he had two x chromosomes, or was genetically haploid, or anything else that would mark his genetics as unusual.

I asked because after reading another thread, the question came from me.

If jesus is human and born of a miracle does he need a XY chromosome?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

When artificial insemination is performed, where does the sperm come from?
Okay, with that in mind, ask yourself, "How did Mary become pregnant?" Where did the sperm come from?

If you have in your mind that no fertilization took place, then that may be where you are having a problem.

Hm. I think it works where donors give their sperm to a sperm bank. I dont know why a miracle can be like that in say 44 B.C. (case in point) and just stopped short a good while after the apostles died.

I would say there was no fertilization. I guess the child just came into being.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I asked because after reading another thread, the question came from me.

If jesus is human and born of a miracle does he need a XY chromosome?

Define what you mean by "need"? I guess, had God wanted, Jesys COULD hace been a holigram, or hyperrealistic robot, or whatever else you can imagine, but the generally accepted Christian doctrine is that Jesus was God INCARNATE, i.e. "made flesh", abd, since flesh and blood human males have x abd y chromosomes, it seems to follow that Jesus woukd have had them, too.

I'm yaving real trouble seeing why you seem to have a particular issue with this?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Hm. I think it works where donors give their sperm to a sperm bank. I dont know why a miracle can be like that in say 44 B.C. (case in point) and just stopped short a good while after the apostles died.

it was a singular event. No one said it can't happen again.

I would say there was no fertilization. I guess the child just came into being.

Many people believe something like that, and if so, presumably he "just came into being" with normal human male dna.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Define what you mean by "need"? I guess, had God wanted, Jesys COULD hace been a holigram, or hyperrealistic robot, or whatever else you can imagine, but the generally accepted Christian doctrine is that Jesus was God INCARNATE, i.e. "made flesh", abd, since flesh and blood human males have x abd y chromosomes, it seems to follow that Jesus woukd have had them, too.

I'm yaving real trouble seeing why you seem to have a particular issue with this?

I'd assume if he can be born of a miracle, have no sin, would their need (would it be necessary) to have justification there is a Y chromosones or can jesus just have XX chromosones given he was born of a miracle?

I'm about to eat, get myself ready to go out, probably watch a movie. I read another thread and this question popped in my mind. Nothing more deep and intense as that.

 

[ChristineM]

Do you inherit more DNA from mother or father?
Genetically Speaking scientifically, You're More Like Your Dad. You may have inherited your mother'seyes, but, genetically speaking, you use more DNA passed down from your father. That's the conclusion of a new study on mice that scientist researchers say likely applies to all mammals.Mar 3, 2015
Genetically Speaking, You're More Like Your Dad - D-brief
blogs.discovermagazine.com › 2015/03/03

Interesting how you try to whitewash fact that you actually carry more of your mothers genetic material but its your fathers that is more dominant

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/genetics/inheritance/

Each cell in the body contains 23 pairs of chromosomes. One chromosome from each pair is inherited from your mother and one is inherited from your father.
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Do You Share More Genes With Your Mother Or Your Father?

Genetically, you actually carry more of your mother’s genes than your father’s. That’s because of little organelles that live within your cells, the mitochondria, which you only receive from your mother.​

 

[Faithofchristian]

If that is true, how is he human?

Does he just have X chromosones?

The body of flesh and blood is what makes Jesus half human, But what counts, who's inside of the body of Jesus, that counts.

The body of Jesus is just a covering
(shield) for God to come down here in,
This why Jesus said to one of his disciples, if you see me, you have seen the Father.

"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" John 14:9.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Interesting how you try to whitewash fact that you actually carry more of your mothers genetic material but its your fathers that is more dominant

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/genetics/inheritance/

Each cell in the body contains 23 pairs of chromosomes. One chromosome from each pair is inherited from your mother and one is inherited from your father.
​

Do You Share More Genes With Your Mother Or Your Father?

Genetically, you actually carry more of your mother’s genes than your father’s. That’s because of little organelles that live within your cells, the mitochondria, which you only receive from your mother.​

Not by scientific methods.
Genetically Speaking scientifically, You're More Like Your Dad. You may have inherited your mother'seyes, but, genetically speaking, you use more DNApassed down from your father. That's the conclusion of a new study on mice that scientist researchers say likely applies to all mammals.Mar 3, 2015
Genetically Speaking, You're More Like Your Dad - D-brief
blogs.discovermagazine.com › 2015/03/03